have any of you guys cast bullets for 416 taylor and who out there sells them

thanks frank

Frank,

There are few places that sell various .416 cast bullets

Montana Bullet Works

Beartooth Bullets

Huntington's

I have not purchased from any of these firms but am looking also for a 416 cast to shoot in my Rigby. I have a boatload of wheelweights and want to test them before spending the money on a mould, sizer etc. Good luck,

Paul

Funny, my flatnose RCBS mould #082075 doesn't indicate what .416" cartridge its lead boolits will fit. I shoot the 365gr gas-checked, wheelweight, water quenched boolits through my 416 Rem mag model 70 Winchester. I see no reason they wouldn't fit a Taylor or Rigby or Hoffman or Dakota or Weatherby. Or even the 405 Winchester.

paul I just ordered the montana bullet works 400 gn at 22 hardness so will see how they shoot

is this for real [convection oven on 2nd page]

http://www.lasc.us/CastBulletNotes.htm

Tip: Bullets in an oven pre-heated to 450 degrees for one hour will heat treat wheel weights (Lead - arsenic - antimony alloy) to approximately 18 BHN. One hour at 475 degrees will harden the alloy to approximately 22 BHN. With the oven just barely below the melting point the alloy Will harden to 30+ BHN. Ovens and thermometers vary, experiment to achieve your desired results.


onefunzr2--- how fast are you pushing the 365 GC ? [IE how much pressure will it take]-- how hard are the bullets you are shoting ? --what we want to do is target work at 2350-2450 fps w 350-400 gn lead to keep our cost down and our hand-- in so as to speak-- so some one smarter than me sugested a hardnes value of 24-26-28 higher is better and it don,t matter if the bullet shatters on impact at 15-25-50 yds--- so can it be done ---and if so how do you make em that hard

Stradling,

Your heat treated bullets will soften over time. Heat treating is not a very long term solution but OK if you're going to use them up.

Hardness can be overdone. Many have found that a non-heat treated bullet is more accurate.

Velocity tends to be the limiting factor. If you're looking for 2200 fps heat treating isn't really required. If you're looking for 2700 fps it's pretty much a necessity unless you're using a very hard alloy.

thanks Mstarling --how long will a heat treatment hold days months ?? and is it realistic to hope for a 300 - 350 gn lead bullet that will stand up to 2500 fps in the old 416 taylor, for target shootin? and if so what is a starting point for the lead tin feed stock mix ? lots of questions but i know you know your way around this casting business

thanks frank

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Originally posted by stradling:
onefunzr2--- how fast are you pushing the 365 GC ? [IE how much pressure will it take]-- how hard are the bullets you are shoting ? --what we want to do is target work at 2350-2450 fps w 350-400 gn lead to keep our cost down and our hand-- in so as to speak-- so some one smarter than me sugested a hardnes value of 24-26-28 higher is better and it don,t matter if the bullet shatters on impact at 15-25-50 yds--- so can it be done ---and if so how do you make em that hard

I treat these cast boolits as if I were shooting an old black-powder gun. Above ~2K fps, the fun-recoil level goes away real fast for me. I have shot some >2.2K fps but the accuracy goes away.
Mine measure 15BHN measured on Verl Smith's LBT tester after 2 years from being cast...so they did soften a bit from the 18BHN when cast. To me, it's the gas check that minimizes leading, not how hard the boolit is. My most accurate and pleasurable load is 45gr of Accurate 5744. When I want to shoot at jacketed bullet speeds like you're suggesting, I load the cheap 350gr Speer Mag-tip bullet.

onefunzer you are right of cource the 1 grand spent on the lead makin stuff would have bought one hell of a lot of speer,,s

Just for comparison, I shoot a 350gn GC lino bullet at 2365 from my 404 Jeffery for 1 in 50 yd groups using aperture sights. The same bullet at 1900fps shot .33 in group. I heat treated a 90% ww/10% lino 370gn GC bullet and got 2450 but accuracy dropped off to 1 1/4 or so. The extra velocity was not worth the heattreating process over the 'as cast'lino bullet, and seating GC on the hardened bullet base required ann extra step. The moulds I have were custom made to my design and to suit a bore slug sent with the data. Great fun and well worth the shots fired experimanting when you get good results.. Have at it. Am playing with a 7mm mould at the moment and chasing an earlier pressure build in the case to stop gas flow arround the neck.
Dont you just love the many facets to our adiction.

Von Gruff.

I have some from this outfit: http://www.westernbullet.com/

von gruff I have for got about a loto things in my life but you can bet I will never forget NZ and yes we are silly little boys in the sand box thank god for that what mold do you use [pm me the maker]
as I have a 425 express to feed as well which shoots the .423" so say .424 in lead .

fla 3006 so how do they go do you like em and thanks for the contact

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Originally posted by stradling:
von gruff I have for got about a loto things in my life but you can bet I will never forget NZ and yes we are silly little boys in the sand box thank god for that what mold do you use [pm me the maker]

PM sent. Aint life grand.

Von Gruff.

I ordered Beartooth 335g for my Taylor after a long and informative discussion w/ the owner/Marshall Stanton. Evidently there are certain precautions/things that need to be done/not done when loading cast. He's very knowledgeable not only a/b his bullets but cast bullets in general. He gave me a load for my Taylor and is very easy to talk with. He also has a fire lap kit that comes w/ a book that has all sorts of good info for cast loading.