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Read the thread over on CB. Tell you something I've done in the past, mainly with my Smith Model 25 in 45 Colt, is used a tuff of Kapok filler in my cast loads. Friend and I went shooting one time and he had a Model 25 also. At the end of the shoot my revolver was as clean as though I'd shot jacketed factory loads. His wasn't and he asked me about it. Pain in the ass to have to load them that way, although it keeps those cylinder and frame pristine clean, while not changing the accuracy one bit in my revolvers or lever rifles in those calibers. I've never tried Dacron in those, but now that I've enlightened you about this, I may. Try it Larry. If you're shooting a pretty stiff load make an adjustment, although I haven't seen the pressure increase using a filler in a revolver round as much as I have in rifle rounds.
 
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I was doing some reading a few weeks ago when I ran across this info my self. I was wondering how about using a peace of cotton ball, Paper, or a chunk of wool?


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I was doing some reading a few weeks ago when I ran across this info my self. I was wondering how about using a peace of cotton ball, Paper, or a chunk of wool?


I'd use something that has been known to work, like Kapok or dacron. Way back in the 70's I started cutting wads out of those clear polyethylene coffee can lids for my 45 Colts. Now these you just start in the mouth of the case and seat the bullet right against them. Never tap any material or put a wad atop the powder leaving an airspace in any round, rifle or revolver.
 
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what i was reading was to put (not remember what it is looked like raw wool or cotton) over the powder to keep it from shifting away from the primer in rifles.


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what i was reading was to put (not remember what it is looked like raw wool or cotton) over the powder to keep it from shifting away from the primer in rifles.


Pick up NRA's Castbullet book and read about how to place a fiber filler. I'm sure Larry Gibson will chime in here and say never place or tamp a filler or wad atop the powder with an airspace left between it and the bullet base. You're asking for trouble if you do. Now I'm sure if you take a flimsy piece of say kleenex or that very thing light paper like new shirts come packed in and just have a single layer of it to position the powder that it causes no harm and in fact is consumed by along with the powder burning. When you have a substantial ward, such a s carboard wad or a big tuff of Dacron...do not place those atop the powder leaving an airspace. I can't be more clear.
 
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I m sure I knew but what your saying is, BOOM! right? I have seen photos of guys who make dumb mistakes like this. I m the kinda guy who will double and triple check references. Growing up and when I was in the military all I can remember what was drilled in my head. SAFETY FIRST!


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I m sure I knew but what your saying is, BOOM! right? I have seen photos of guys who make dumb mistakes like this. I m the kinda guy who will double and triple check references. Growing up and when I was in the military all I can remember what was drilled in my head. SAFETY FIRST!


No, I'm not saying BOOM, BUT that could happen in the worse scenario. What I'm saying mainly is ringed chamber or ringed bore.
 
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This is all something to think on. thanks coffee I have a bit of reading to do as I may have said. I have on DVD Rom 3 casting books. Man they are long!


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Starmetal is correct, don't tamp the filler down into a wad. This has caused 'ringing" of chambers. That is a very bad thing short of "boom" to have happen to your firearm. A filler fills the space between the powder and bullet. Dacron is proven. All the others have fallen by the way side. No sense you reinventing the whell and discovering that all over again. Use dacron.

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I don't mind cleaning my revolvers so the hassle of using the dacron in the case might not be worth it. Although I only have one rifle (M92 Rossi rifle) and one SSA in .45 Colt. I have thought about using dacron in that cartridge because of the large airspace when loading with smokeless powders. Might give it a try one of these days after I shoot up the 500+ rounds I have loaded.

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Starmetal is correct, don't tamp the filler down into a wad. This has caused 'ringing" of chambers. That is a very bad thing short of "boom" to have happen to your firearm. A filler fills the space between the powder and bullet. Dacron is proven. All the others have fallen by the way side. No sense you reinventing the whell and discovering that all over again. Use dacron.

Joe

I don't mind cleaning my revolvers so the hassle of using the dacron in the case might not be worth it. Although I only have one rifle (M92 Rossi rifle) and one SSA in .45 Colt. I have thought about using dacron in that cartridge because of the large airspace when loading with smokeless powders. Might give it a try one of these days after I shoot up the 500+ rounds I have loaded.

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I quit using it too because of the longer time to reload. Don't bother me to clean my firearms, I rather enjoy taking them down and cleaning them.
 
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Starmetal is correct, don't tamp the filler down into a wad. This has caused 'ringing" of chambers. That is a very bad thing short of "boom" to have happen to your firearm. A filler fills the space between the powder and bullet. Dacron is proven. All the others have fallen by the way side. No sense you reinventing the whell and discovering that all over again. Use dacron.

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I don't mind cleaning my revolvers so the hassle of using the dacron in the case might not be worth it. Although I only have one rifle (M92 Rossi rifle) and one SSA in .45 Colt. I have thought about using dacron in that cartridge because of the large airspace when loading with smokeless powders. Might give it a try one of these days after I shoot up the 500+ rounds I have loaded.

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I quit using it too because of the longer time to reload. Don't bother me to clean my firearms, I rather enjoy taking them down and cleaning them.

It makes for a good excuse to step away from the wife fishing


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Read the thread over on CB. Tell you something I've done in the past, mainly with my Smith Model 25 in 45 Colt, is used a tuff of Kapok filler in my cast loads. Friend and I went shooting one time and he had a Model 25 also. At the end of the shoot my revolver was as clean as though I'd shot jacketed factory loads. His wasn't and he asked me about it. Pain in the ass to have to load them that way, although it keeps those cylinder and frame pristine clean, while not changing the accuracy one bit in my revolvers or lever rifles in those calibers. I've never tried Dacron in those, but now that I've enlightened you about this, I may. Try it Larry. If you're shooting a pretty stiff load make an adjustment, although I haven't seen the pressure increase using a filler in a revolver round as much as I have in rifle rounds.

I do not attribute that to a filler. I would say you had a better fitting, maybe harder boolit then your friend did. I find a Dacron filler will make accuracy better but to correct a too soft or under size boolit---NO!
 
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Now ain't that the truth! Although my wife is a good one she is still a wife....I think they learnit in HOMEC 101, or is it instinct diggin

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Now ain't that the truth! Although my wife is a good one she is still a wife....I think they learnit in HOMEC 101, or is it instinct diggin

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None of the above. Its all what they grow up around.....thats why mine is lacking in alot of places....but god damn it I still love her and dont know why!
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Now ain't that the truth! Although my wife is a good one she is still a wife....I think they learnit in HOMEC 101, or is it instinct diggin

Larry Gibson


None of the above. Its all what they grow up around.....thats why mine is lacking in alot of places....but god damn it I still love her and dont know why!
bewildered

But I have yet to say I do but really are already there.


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