Posted in reloading forum couple of days ago and got no responses ----has anyone tried paper patching cast in the 416 Taylor or any similar 416 cal/ velocity and could you post any loads and any experiences with that --- diameter of cast used etc?

Working on a project rifle in 416 Taylor and am trying to collect all the data that I can. Shooting cast and paper patch just seems like a natural for this cal. and would like to try using on a muley or elk.

Have paper patch experience in 45-70, 458 WM and 50-140 so am thinking it should be pretty well the same, only with 416 Taylor the working velocity will be higher.

Thanks in advance for any and all replies ....Bob.

I've not PP'd for the .416 but I don't see where it would pose any problems. You will probably need to adjust the alloy for the velocity and desired expansion. I would expect that WWs + 2% tin would be a good starting point.

Larry Gibson

Don't have a 416

But I do PP in both the 458X284 and the 338 WM
In all my PP loading , I shoot 2 parts pure lead and 1 part WW and water droped

This alloy has proformed well for me
It expands well , but I have never had a bullet break up

Paper patched , if I stay under 2300 with the 250 gr bullet
I get right around 1.75 - 2" groups and no leading

I would bet the rifle and load are cappable of better accurcy
But the opperator isn't

The 458/284 shoots everything so well
I do not consider it fair to compair how it shoots to how another rifle will


John

You might want to try a search through this the PP section of the Cast Bullet forum

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?f=62

Von Gruff.

Thanks guys for the replies and comments. For me this is the fastest cartridge that I will have tried paper patching in. Also really the first bottle necked cartridge. Should be fun.

I noted discussed on another forum - something that I never thought of until reading it the other day. With a relatively short neck and long bullet combo such as possible in the 416 Taylor, the paper wrapped bullet may be substantially down below the neck --not an issue in a straight wall cartridge. Some of the comments replied that was not a problem for their way of loading.

Hope more comments will be posted --- Bob.

abob54, what is the normal seating depth for the 416 Taylor with jacketed bullets? I'm assuming yours is a bolt action rifle - what is the magazine length?

I'm loading paper patched bullets to fit the magazine that chamber way into the rifling. For that I have to use a two-diameter bullet core. I would suggest a bullet base diameter large enough to only just enter the throat which may require only minimal neck sizing to hold the bullet and still chamber. Depending on your rifle chamber, you may not need to size the neck at all but that would be unlikely, I should think - at least if you intend to use the magazine.

It may be true that a paper patched bullet can be seated past the shoulder but I suspect that only works if the alloy is hard enough. A soft but tough alloy may get a little squeezed down at the tail. (I have not deliberately tried seating PP Bullets that deep but I know some have been pushed back during chambering - accuracy was not there when that was suspected. Nor have I tried high chamber pressure loads with paper patching).

Hello 303guy --- my magazine is about 3 1/8 in. internal length--- it's an old P14 that was previously sporterized. I ordered a new bbl for it and am building up a new rifle for hunting. Just caught your reply, as I check the news on the internet before heading off to work. Will carefully answer questions when I get home. Just fired a few first shots at the range couple of days ago. Thanks for the reply and questions, look forward to discussion.

Bob.

It seems that copper will toughen lead alloy quite a bit for a very small copper addition - 0.06% max I think. I'd try it with a small batch in case it flops. To get the copper to actually disolve in the alloy, first 'tin' it with solder then submerge it in the melt and wait a while. That might give the alloy the strength for velocity and ductility for expansion.

I talked to Marshall Stanton at Beartooth bullets regading my Taylor and Cast bullets. He suggested his 335g gas checked bullet b/c it is shorter and will generally not protrude below the case shoulder/neck junction when seated. He suggested using a case full of 4831, either Hogdon or Imr for these loads. So far, I'm getting 1700 fps w/ good groups at 50 yds. I think I can get more fps, but have not experimented enough, yet. Don't know a/b paper patching, but these seem to work.

Hi guys, sorry for not replying quickly. Busy time of year for me. Got the magazine modification just about complete, now have full 3 1/2 in. internal clearance. But with the longer 350 grain or so it looks like I still will be a little below the base of the neck as per the throat. Tried a few paper patch but they were cast with nearly pure lead -- approx. 330 gr., and I think the nose slumped --- as they leaded badly. Have to spend some time experimenting -- hunting seasons are approaching! 303 guy - I will try the adding copper -- never heard of that before.

Bob