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So, 200g .308's, .280g .358's, 360g .408's, 450g .458's... Do many of us cast/shoot these big boys around here? I'm fascinated with them myself. Under 150yd, certainly, where much hunting is done - and most target shooting and plinking - you're good with 2000fps MV, and almost any cartridge will do it, all the 308-based guys 260-358, the 30-30 and 45-70 will almost do it. Partly just too much testosterone on my part surely, but there's certain catharsis and pleasure lobbing the fatties downrange. Anyone else? | ||
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Yep, just this morning (Wednesday) I was chronographing my .416 Rigby load that will be used on a combined elk/white-tail hunt in late October. The RCBS 416-350 actually weighs around 365 grains with a two-alloy composition (pure lead nose, wheelweight-alloy shank). 55.0 grains of XMP 5744 with a dacron tuft, sparked by a CCI 250 primer, drove three rounds at an average velocity of 2088 fps, with FIVE fps extreme spread. Zeroed two inches high at 100 yards, it was giving me center hits at 160 yards on a 6"x 8" gong a couple days back. The steel is 3/4"-thick AR plate, and the craters were almost an inch across and 1/4" deep. I think it'll do just fine, and I expect decent expansion and weight retention with the cast softpoints as well. Regards from BruceB (aka Bren Mk1) | |||
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I cast a 280 gr .358" (358009) and it has been the only cast bullet I've shot 5 into a 1" group at 100 yds. Unfortunately that load hangfires at low temps, and switching primers opened up groups. I will be using them for hunting in the future once I dial in a load. In .458", I have a 500 gr mold, but haven't gotten a sizer yet, so they are yet to be shot out of my 458 Lott. I have a 460 gr .475", I guess that's slightly under .3, and it shoots quite well out of my 480 revolver. My personal thought is, cast bullets perform best on game in the 2000 fps range, plus or minus a tad, and thus you might as well use as heavy a bullet as you can in a given caliber to keep at that velocity range. I just need to pick up a .308" mold in that range. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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Paul, that's pretty much my thinking. If you're not going over 2(2)00fps, why notgive the case something to work for? So, that 460g sounds mighty. What speeds do you get, if I may ask? I've been wanting a fat mag revo for a few years now, ever since playing with my dad's Cassul. Though I don't care for the looks of it, that 500 S&W and what it will do with a 500g have me daydreaming. | |||
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It's a different game, but I have shot my own 500-grain RCBS BPS bullet into one hole at 100 yards with a Remington #3 rolling block in 45-70, using tang sights. It was a buddy's rifle, and it actually shocked me. Load was 27 grains of AA 5744, a florist foam wad over the powder, and a CCI-200. Velocities were slow (supersonic), but I have no doubt the bullet would kill out to 200+, and the rifle is/was accurate enough to do that. And I have a 400-grain Lyman bullet, as well as an NEI 411-275 for my .40-65 Pedersoli BPCR that do the same thing. Green Mountain barrel, Soule sight, etc. Seriously thinking about using the Pedersoli on feral pigs and maybe whitetails this coming season. Typical distances are inside 100... | |||
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I get 1050 fps with 19 gr H-110 out of my 7 1/2" SRH, though my gun may be a bit on a slow side, as others get 1100 fps from their 7 1/2" SRH's. I'm a huge fan of the 480, and also don't care for the 454. The recoil of the 454 is really snappy, whereas the 480 just feels like a big 44. With the same powder charge as a 44, the 480 launches a roughly 30% heavier bullet the same velocity, whats not to like? That said, I think the 460 gr is a bit too much bullet for the 480, and I think 440 gr is a more practical max weight. I'd speced 450 gr for the mold and it came out heavy. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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Those RSR's are nice pieces. Not to open a can of worms, but Dad's 454 was a Taurus, and it was a pussycat. He did not load it down either. I forget the load, but it was something like 300/1450 and 260/1800 (8" bbl or whatever the long one is.) It is a heavy gun, and that ribbed grip, though ugly, really did the job I think. And at about 25yd I shot 3 300g into about .75"! Mostly luck, as I can't shoot a revolver that well. But it could if you could! Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. | |||
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Doubless - NOW you're talking! That sounds like fun. I have a 45/70 Rem RB that needs a little work before shooting full-power loads, but it handles the old factory specs fine. Lok forward to lobbing some heavies out at some far, far gongs! Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. | |||
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I've never had a chance to shoot a Raging bull, but I've always wanted to. Got my wife a taurus 357 snubby, and am inpressed with the gun. It's amazing how well the big bores can shoot, my target load is a 310 gr cast over 9.7 gr unqie for 950 fps. I managed to put 3 shots into 1 1/2" at 100 yds, and decided not to fire the last two shots I honestly think the gun was capable of better accuracy as it was 1 1/2" wide and 1/2" high, but was limited by my abilities. __________________________________________________ The AR series of rounds, ridding the world of 7mm rem mags, one gun at a time. | |||
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