I got to go to the range yesterday, Monday being Labor day....and tested a load that turns out to be teriffic. On a whim I bought a Lyman mould over eBay- a 160g wadcutter- the mould is not offered by Lyman anymore. I loaded a box of .357s with the 160g wadcutter and 14.7g H110- crimped at the crimp groove which makes the OAL about the same as any 158g RN. Amazingly accurate from a stock S&W 19, no idea of the velocity 'cuz I don't have a chronny. I see this as a super pin load.....pleasant to shoot but with substantial punch......