........We shot centerfire pistols for the match. Ten rounds offhand, iron sights at 25 yards. I WON! Yup, I won shooting a steenking peestol :-). A revolter no less. I was up against 3 Colt 1911's, 2 of which had muzzle brakes, and a Ruger SP101 I think it was. I used my salty old 1982 vintage Ruger BH in 357 with a 4 & 5/8" bbl.

Hopefully no one is offended but I used some commercial 158gr BBSWC's. Awhile back our rangemaster asked if I wanted a bunch of bullets, and had five 25lb shotbags full of'em. I gave him $20 for the bags intending to use them to melt down, which I did to one bag. I thought, heck I've got them, I oughta see how they shoot. And they shot very well. I guess I have about a lifetime supply :-). Maybe not THAT long, but a bunch.

In testing I found that in 357 Mag brass, 3.3grs of W231 shot better than I could. These I'd crimped into the crimp groove. Then just for fun I decided to crimp them into a GG to have them seated out into the chamber throat. The bullet is 'just' short of the cylinder face. They shot better yet. I'd guess probably better alignment, with just a hint of touching when chambered. Also, something I wasn't expecting was the lessened recoil. Unbelieveable that 1/8" in increased case volumn could make a noticeable difference.

I didn't have a chance to load up anything for the Witness in 38 Super and I really would have liked to have used it instead. I took along the Vaquero in 45 Colt essentially to burn up some odds and ends so I could process the brass. Using it to practice, it was doing pretty well too, but the front sight still has it printing POA. I'll have to get some rangetime in and bring a file :-). It really likes the Lee 452-190SWC over 8.0grs of SR7625.

I'd had some RCBS 43-370's pan lubed and sitting in a plastic box for sometime, so decided to load'em up for the 1879 Arg RB. For some reason up to this time, I'd neglected any testing in this cartridge with SR4759 so I rectified that situation. With 23.0 grs + Dacron it turned in some superb 5 shot groups at 50 yards. I also taper crimped the brass. Why I thought about doing that I can't say. It just popped into my head. To be sure, I didn't have a 43 Spanish taper crimp die! Come to find out, an RCBS 44 mag seater die will do it :-). Since I don't own a 44 mag, that die now lives in the 43 Spanish die box.



Hopefully tomorrow before leaving for work, I can get a photo of the groups it produced. A very good shooting old rifle.

..........Buckshot

I figured you for a "ringer" after reading all your whining about pistolovers, and then getting your internet match targets last spring. You professional pisoleros sure hide you talent! Congratulations!

Congratulations, and that's a fine looking rifle.

Evening Buckshot. I knew you could do it when you set your mind to it. Back at the Millenium NCBS when you shot my S&W mod.25 in .45 Colt, you tipped your hand, no more hiding and whining about pistola events. And that is a fine looking rolling block there. Is that caliber what they call the "43 Spanish"?

Duke is out for the night.

Whitworth, Your Tuesday range reports are just as enjoyable and informative as they were at the previous address. If I am ever in Southern CA on a Tuesday I would like to participate in a Burrito Shoot (as long as it was not a steenking peestol day). May I suggest dating the reports, as in Tuesday 9/16 at the Range? Because of the topical Accurate Reloading format, threads tend to hang around. I have been logging on to Accurate since last December. I check Cast Bullets and Military & Military Surplus every day. CB and Military have had roughly the same number of topics for most of that time. Now that the demise of Shooters has sent a horde of displaced persons this way CB is running about 50% more topics than military. (Yes, I know that statistics is one of the three classes of lies). Regards, curmudgeon

Hola Rick! Good job with the Ruger.
I would love to see a shot of the group from the Argentine roller.
What's your best group with it at 100 yards using straight black?

Buckwhit, you got a lotta nerve, touting your win over some 1911s and a SP101 with a .357 BH, and commercial boolits to boot. Baaaaaaaaah! But, like a lotta other jounalists, you had a deadline to meet---so we could git semanally 'Burrito Blasted' again!

Them pissolas shur can be fine; been exercising an'81 SBH lately, with great pleasure. ---galena, the younger---

.......Nevada Duke, yep she's a 1879 contract Argentine model Remington rolling block. Apparently when Argentina declared them obsolete and took them back into store, they completely re-furbed them. Mine has a few minor rust speckles and they've been blued over. The original rifles had tin plated actions and are extremely rare still sporting the coating. It seems mine got a new stock as it's without blemish. I can't identify the wood, and it doesn't appear to be walnut. Some other fine grained hardwood. Local probably.

This one was one of those "In the right place, at the right time" type deals. Walked into a small gunshow in San Bernardino and saw some long barrels sticking up. This was one of'em and it had a $165 price tag on it. I guess since none of the 'Marts sold ammo for it they were letting it go cheap :-).

........Curmudgeon, of course you know you'd be more than welcome! Coming to So. Calif isn't something done lightly and I don't suspect you have any burning desire to see Disneyland?

........Bill in Oregon, the only thing keeping me from loading any of my BPC type rifles is the brass cleanup afterwards. I've shot BP from my MkIV 577-450, MkII** 577 Snider, and some in a 45-90. I didn't particularly care for the after action activities :-)

........Jethrow, well I wasn't so much surprised to beat any particular pistol type, but rather the people HOLDING them was giving me pause. Probably they just had a bad day :-). My score wasn't very good, and there's were just really bad! I on the other hand gave myself a headache concentrating. My problem has been a tendency to pull the barrel down, for one reason or another.

Both Deputy Al, and Ken our old rangemaster have given me pointers. Basicly it was to just keep the front sight where it's supposed to be and squeeze (being ever mindfull to keep your eyes open, ha). In practicing before the match I knew when one would be 'out' as in that fraction of a second before the report I'd have a picture of some white above the front sight. I'd pulled the barrel down again.

Those which maintained a good picture went where they were supposed to. One of my 5 round practice targets had four 10's and an 8. That was 4 in about 1.25"! Yet I think that falls into the catagory of an infinite number of monkeys typing eventually producing a Shakespear play <VBG>. An old guy who used to shoot with us before moving, summed it up pretty well. He said, "I don't see what's so hard about it. Just shoot them all into the 10 ring." Never thought of THAT!

...........Buckshot

Yep, I'm right proud of ol' Buck/Whit's shooting with that stubby-barrelled Ruger. I feel badly for being unable to attend on Tuesday, he probably would have whupped me, too.

Buckwhit...good shooting pardner. I own a few Blackhawks and some tuned 1911's. I can't see a blackhawk ever outshooting a tuned 1911. But like you said doesn't matter what you have, you have to shoot it well and you won. Most of the times in instances where shots go low on the target or you know you pull the barrel down is a flinch problem. Not saying that is 100 % what is going on with you but if it is it is nothing to be ashame of. I believe we all go in and out of flinching.

Joe

BuckWhit: re: Cleaning brass after shooting Black Powder...a quick and fairly painless way of cleaning brass comes from HPguy - formerly of Shooters BPCR forum:[bracketed info is mine]

"To bring a long search and much experimentation into a short narrative, I�ve found a technique that works very well. It is simple, quick and non-toxic. Here is the recipe:

1. Deprime the cases at the range [or at home]

2. At home place the cases in a plastic jar (I use a 4 quart plastic pickle jar) filled with hot water [this can be done at the range to avoid drying the carbon onto the case, but doesn't seem to be necessary]
Shake the jar with the top screwed to remove the loose fouling

3. Strain the water

4. Add 4 table spoons of baking soda and 4 table spoons of lemon juice (the stuff that comes in a plastic bottle) and a dash of either Dawn dish washing soap or Castrol Super Clean ($8 per gallon at WalMart) to the jar with the rinsed cases and fill with hot water. [Double this for more cases - soak longer too]

5. Shake the jar a bit and let sit for half an hour or so.

6. Shake again and rinse the cases

7. Place the damp cases in a vibrator tumbler and tumble for an hour or two

My cases came out like new or as close as one could hope for."

This method works very well, no brushing or scrubbing, no drying, no baked on carbon - the tumbler does it all for you. I've used it for .43 Spanish, 45-70 and 32-20, works great! Stan

[ 09-14-2003, 08:24: Message edited by: StanDahl ]

.......StanDahl, thanks for the tips. Yet that is what I'm talking about in "After Action Ditzing Around :-), HA!.

...........Buckshot

.........The 6 targets generated with this rifle, recently, have been posted over on the Cast Boolit BB at:

http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=514616&NoCaches=Yes

..........Buckshot

Well, I tried. Just wanted to see you get both feet into the dark side. But...there are enough steps in loading cast bullets to have to play with the brass too. Then add a few more for loading black powder. I'm sure the Whitworth gives the fun (and long range accuracy) of bpcr without the case clean-up. Stan