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Not new to reloading; nor to casting and reloading for handguns. I will be new to casting and loading for rifles. Plan on loading for my Pre 64 M70 in 9.3x62 which sends 250 Accubonds and 286 Partitions into little groups.  I'd like to go over my shopping list if you will. In the beginning, I plan on just plinking but might some day pop some elk with it. 1. Veral Smith is sending me his throat slugs in the next few days. 2. I'm thinking of letting him determine the weight of my bullets based on the length of my throat. 3. I think I need a Lyman (M) neck expander die. 4. Need a sizer die for my RCBS Lube-a-matic-2. Size to be determined soon. I believe I can get it from http://www.buffaloarms.com/search.htm for $46 5. Need Hornady .375" GC's. 6. Do I need to clean my barrel very very good and get all traces of copper out? Anything else? Where can I find cast boolit load data for the 9.3x62? Alan  | ||
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Veral made me a mold for my CZ550 9.3X62 that shoots as accurately as the Accubond, 286 Hornaday or Privi-Partizen. The boolet is a 285 flat nose and uses a .375 gas check; I'm using wheel weight metal so the boolet is a little heaver, around 293 grains. I'm using 24 grains of 2400 powder, not a hot load, and the brass lasts forever. This load does just fine at 200 yards at the bench rest range here in Sioux Falls, keeps up with the other production class rifles in competition. Loading...I have an M expander die, a .366 die for my saeco sizer, and a .367 lee push through die; but you know I've started just knocking the primer out of a fired case, running the depriming rod way out, and not resizing the case. Just prime, charge and seat the bullet to depth. Using the bullet sized as cast, I seat the gas check with the Saeco die, squeeze the gas check to .366 and lube by hand with Veral's blue lube. When loaded, I run the round into the the sizing die with the depriming stem removed just a little squeeze to keep the boolet in place. Seems to work for me. Shotgun | |||
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Shotgun, Your post is awesome; just what I needed. I assume you slugged your rifles throat? Did you chrono your velocity? How is the recoil with your 293 gr bullets with your 2400 powder load? Do feel you still need the M expander die since you size your cases after the bullet is seated? I could use my Lyman deprime die and follow suit. How far off, on, or in the lands are you seating the bullet? Did you slug your bore to get an exact bore size? If so, what method did you use and did you mail in the slug to Veral or simply pass the info along? Never have figured out how to lube by hand. Seems like it would be extremely messy. What about lubing with a sizer die .001" over bullet diameter? Again, your technique and results intrigue me. Alan | |||
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Alan, I have a 9.3 x 57 made by Husky on the 96 Swede action. It's pretty close to the 9.3 x 62. I'm using a mould from Dan at Mountain Moulds. The good thing you have going for you with a new modern rifle is that your groove diameter will be, or should be, around .366 which is a good thing. On my rifle the groove is .368 so I size my bullets at .369 which, for my rifle, is very close to the limit the neck area in the chamber will accept a loaded case with a bullet that fat. I seat them to just snug in the forcing cone...that's not cammed into the rifling. This way you still get good bullet alignment, but yet if you need to extract a loaded round you don't leave the bullet in the bore and scatter powder inside you action. That is something to think about. I don't load the pistol powder, I'm using rifle powders. Currently I'm using surplus 867 which burns very good for me being it's a very slow powder. I'm getting velocities in the 1800 fps bracket and being my Husky rifle is quite light it's noticeable in recoil. I'm getting about a torn 3/4 inch group at 100 yards. I'm using a 50/50 alloy which is lead and wheelweights. This is better then straight wheelweights for hunting because it will expand with out fragmenting as much as wheelweights will do. There is a fellow on Castboolit forum that makes and sells moulds and he's about really to cut a cherry for a mould which the bullet specifications were drawn off a casting of my rifles throat and bore. I can let you know when he does that. Anyways back to loading....I use a set of Hornady New Dimension dies and I have a die I made that flares the case mouth and I do this to insure the bullet can slide into the case mouth with shaving or catching. I crimp my rounds also. I hope this helps you some. | |||
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I'll try to answer your questions, but uderstand that I'm no expert, and this only works for my rifle. I had Veral make a custom mold, and it works just great. Ans: Veral sells a lub called LBT magnum that is like modeling clay. You can smear it on and either size or just load directly into the case. I hope this helps. Shotgun | |||
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I load cast bullets for several calibers, 45-70, 405 Winchester, 375 Whelen and 30-06. The 375 is closest to your caliber, so I'll confine myself there. All the loading data is stright out of the various loading manuals for 35 Whelen, for similar jacketed bullet weights. I use a 265 grain Saeco mold, 250 something RCBS mold, a 280 Lyman grain mold and a 300 grain NEI mold. All molds product accurate bullets with the Saeco leading the pack. All bullets are sized to .378, and I think I have a .3785. The bullets are lubed with LBT Blue, I use LBT Blue for everything. The bullets are dropped into water at casting, the alloy is wheel weights with a bit of tin or linotype. I have used babbit metal with good results.. Some of the 375449 Lyman molds need to have the nose lapped out so that the bullet rides the bore a bit. Have fun learning what the rifle really likes. Jim "Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson | |||
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Castboolits recently finished a run of molds for the NOE .368 dia 285 grain cast boolit. However there is a new group buy starting up for this boolit. These boolits do not take the 35 caliber gaschecks. Instead the bullets base has been dimensioned for the 375 caliber gas check which does a better job of sealing off the expanding powder gasses than does the smaller 35 caliber gas check. So if you are looking for a cast boolit for your 9.3x57, and other 9.3 caliber rifles I'd look into this. I have the .368 diameter 285grain mold and its very well finished. Frank | |||
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Any contact info or links to the group buy? Alan | |||
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Thank youuu! Alan | |||
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I obtained one of Veral Smith's Throat Slug kits and used them both. Mailed them of to Veral today. Requested he make a 2 bullet mold; one PB and one GC, both FN. Weight to be determined by Veral, as long as it's accurate. He'll contact me as soon as he determines the diameter so I can order a sizer die. I'm going to use straight WW's. Do I need to order something for my RCBS Lube-a-matic 2 press to crimp the GC onto the base of the GC bullet? I plan on starting with Universal Clays for the plinking, PB bullets loads and IMR 8208 for the GC, faster, hunting loads. Alan | |||
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