Now let me show you what I mean about ridicule:

a Mr. Rootbeer maligned me for saying Saddam had already been captured for awhile.

quote]Jumptrap, you are a jerk. Saddam is an enemy of mankind; he is not being used by the Bush administration for political purposes. I asked in another section when it would be that the Dems would accuse Bush of capturing Saddam for political gain. You have provided the answer: not long at all. Wise up!! If Bush wanted "political gain" from the capture, he would have sprung it a year from now, just prior to the election, don't you think? Wise up twice!!

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Now you see what I was referring to. Being critiqued by the unlearned masses and the politically ignorant.

Patriotism is one thing not to be mistook for political gambit. Yet, the herd mentality prevails, folks simply refuse to think outside the box. It causes pain in their festered brains. Go ahead rootbeer, follow the lead bull over the precipice, just as well you do it sooner rather than later.

I hope that a LOT of people go back to the original post and pick the button at the bottom of rootbeer's post - the button that says "NOTIFY MODERATOR".

Rootbeer's style was out of pocket; although he's welcome to whatever opinion he holds.

Jump and I will have to respectfully disagree on this one. I don't know the information that he used to form his opinion, but I think he is full of bovine feces! I have a professional relationship with both LTG Sanchez and MG Odierno. Then LTC Sanchez commanded 2-69 AR in Desert Storm (I was an FSO in C/2-18 IN, same brigade). LTC Sanchez made a VERY unpopular decision to destroy an M1 Abrams in place because we couldn't recover it, and had bad guys behind us who might get it out when the mud dried. He made the right decision and waited to see what happened - his current stars show that he did okay. Then COL Odierno was my Divarty commander when I was a battery commander at Ft. Hood, and he paid off on every golf bet I won from him. I think he won two from me, and I paid off as well! The idea that the people involved would be party to such a deception is incredible, and the inability of the military to perpetrate such a plan should be obvious to anyone who understands that military intelligence is an oxymoron. Tony

No, it isn't the alcohol (it hasn't got much) -- it's the nutmeg and the cinnimon/sugar powder sprinkled on top of the whipped cream. The mint sprig helps, but I really think it's mostly the nutmeg.

Joy to the world,
Saddam sure's aged ....
He looks well over 80 now!
He aged himself a lot ...
His behavior cause him rot ...
And now he gets to pay,
And now he gets to pay,
and now, (and how) he gets to pay.


Joy to the world,
Saddam now goes to jail
and guess what he will find?
Lots of scummy buds
to drop his droopy duds
and make him squeal out loud
and make him squeal out loud
to squeal and squeal and squeal out loud

Now, ironic thing is that if they did put Saddam inside ANY sort of normal prison he wouldn't last very long -- the prisoners would have a better sense of justice than our courts would and they'd figure out how to shiv him inside a week, tops.

Oldfeller

okay, I'm full of BULL SHIT.

Nobody in the Government of the United States of America, especially the military, has ever perpetuated anything that isn't above board. Never in the history of the United States have the people been misled in any manner, never has the military and it's hallowed personell been anything but righteous, unmoveable servants of freedom and defenders of Liberty.

I have acted as an enemy of the State, slandered the Government and the Military, both offences punishable by death, but beg the mercies of my captors due to the fact that I have been subjected to bourgoise thoughts and have failed to understand the struggle of the Proletariat and its defenders.

There, I have recanted, under duress, but recanted nonetheless. I will sign my confession of crimes against the State and the people and the members of its Armed Forces.

There, you happy now? No hardy har har.

Jump, it's good to see you are off enjoying yourself with your new playmates. Nice to see you brought some of them home with you, too. Grab a beer boys and set down for a spell. I need to borrow Jump for a minute.



Aladin is busy designing a bullet for the very first time with LEE, you want to stop for a second and tell him a terror tale or two about verbal "understandings" and non-toleranced print dimensions vs the LEE standard -0.000/+.003" tolerancing (and swapping/shipping finished molds out)?



Since you learned me good I didn't go there. Aladin needs some encouragement in that aspect.



Besides, what do you want us to do, go whup up on the boy for being naive and totally trusting in his Uncle Sam? Hey, its Christmas, we are supposed to all believe in Santa Claus right now too .....



Have some eggnogg. <g>



Oldfeller

I hear ya Jump..

I don't read threads about the war etc. I have family over there. It's nice to get away from thinking about what could be.

When he gets home.....maybe.

OF,put a double shot of rotgut bourbon (one shot if everclear) in the eggnog. Keeps one from getting wormy, doncha know? sundog

Well, Jump, no you are not full of bull. I've always appreciated your point of view. You don't mince words, and you say what's on your mind. Politicians don't like people like you. I do. Don't always agree -- most of time -- not always. But that what it's all about, eh? I do respect you. Don't get yer feathers too ruffled, huh pal? Kinda wondering why yer skin's so thin this evening? Hang in there buddy. Some of us have a slightly different view cause we've spent part of a lifetime looking out of a different firing port. That doesn't mean we're different, just been lookin' somewhere else for awhile. Don't know what else to say.... Other than I had a good time cating lots of boolits today. And the beer was good, too. sundog

Jump, the computer somehow lost the big smiley face I put at the end of the bovine feces sentence - we have corresponded too much for me to really believe that. The loss of the smiley face gave the post a meaning I did not intend. And I really meant the "respectfully disagree" part - just because our opinions differs doesn't mean I don't respect yours. And yes, there have been times when the government has been less than truthful, I just don't think this is one of them. Our soldiers have been working night and day looking for this guy, and those two commanders would not continue to put their men into danger for a political statement. Tony

Now, I have confessed my sins and done my penance and it seems the gods have found pleasure in that.

Never ever, did I intend to suggest that the grunts in the holes and sand dunes were not/do not do their duty. The point was missed.

I am a Dubya supporter, voted for him and his daddy, I'm even a registered Republican....no need in going anywhere about being a pinko commie.

I do feel that for political expediency, certain items of interest are held for news releases when it is valuable to do so. Furthermore, I find it hard to believe that in a country crawling with the US armed forces of every branch that one old man can't be found, especially when a pot of gold has been offered for his head. Iraq is a country full of hungry people and so many folks that were maltreated by Saddam the Bastard, that lots of them would have been more than glad to sell his tail for the reward money. The people who harbored Udai and Quasay didn't know anything about pappy's whereabouts? I'm willing to bet they did.

Therefore I am also willing to bet that our folks in high places have known where Saddy has been, or more likely they caught his ass, kept him under wraps........without telling the entire Army and all the Majors and Captains and Sgt. Majors about it. These miltary folks do what they are told within their sectors and only know WHAT THEY ARE TOLD.

Furthermore, the people of this country have got to understand that a Presidential election will occur next year and George wants to kep his job. he has advisors in high places telling him what is his best move in the giant chess game....always looking for an advantage....they're into scoring points.

You think FDR didn't know a thing about the Japs and Pearl Harbor before the fact? if so, you also believe in the tooth fairy.

Was the USS Pueblo a Carnival cruise ship on a holiday voyage in the South China sea loaded with happy civilians?

Was Gary Powers just out gaining flight time doing touch and goes in a Cessna 172 when he left Turkey and inadvertantly ventured over Russia by mistake?

I suppose the same can be said about those P3 Orion passengers who landed on a Chinese island for cokes and souvineers.

Our government does all sorts of things EVERYDAY they don't announce in the newspapers. They don't notify a special forces detachment in Afghanistan that the Navy is testing a new torpedo off the coast of Alaska that morning, nor do they notify the Coast Guard of the latest development at the Skunk Works.

So, just because the men in the field have been looking for Saddam, doesn't mean that another group didn't have him under guard already and a tight lid was held on the fact.

hey, Jump!

I don't entirely disagree with most of what you said, but I do disagree with you about the Saddam capture. The info was withheld for about 18 hours as the identity was confirmed, but the folks involved were just busting to get the news out (and rightfully so!).

I personally believe that at least part of your suspicions will be confirmed next summer or fall (before the election) when a report will be magically timed that will "find" some of the WMD evidence. Balloon-popping of the Demo candidate will be the purpose. There's no doubt that information is managed for political purposes, but I seriously doubt it happened in the Saddam story.

Well some of the poop is coming out already since Saddams capture. Like a married couple that said they got cancer now after taking highly enriched uranium to Syria from Iraq.
I think alot more will come out now that those folks can feel safe from any rebuttals from Saddie.

Joe