Bret in that thread on Castboolits notice the 50 yard group DanM shot with his M95. I sold him that rifle, the old Lee 338 mould, and some left over Oldfeller bullets. I don't think there is anyone that knew that chamber better then Oldfeller and his bullet is the one to redesign.
That group that DanM did at 50 I was able to 7/8th's at 100 yards. I hope you believe what I told you I did with that rifle now. Larry Gibson pay attention here too.

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Originally posted by starmetal:
Bret in that thread on Castboolits notice the 50 yard group DanM shot with his M95. I sold him that rifle, the old Lee 338 mould, and some left over Oldfeller bullets. I don't think there is anyone that knew that chamber better then Oldfeller and his bullet is the one to redesign.
That group that DanM did at 50 I was able to 7/8th's at 100 yards. I hope you believe what I told you I did with that rifle now. Larry Gibson pay attention here too.

Starmetal

What am I supposed to pay attention to? Let's see; a 2.5"+ 9 shot group at 50 yards (you know how I feel about 50 yard tests with HP cast bullet loads in rifles) using 18 gr of 2400 under the lee 205 gr bullit in a M95. Again; what's to pay attention to? Seems Dan is happy with that load and it works for him.

What does "That group that DanM did at 50 I was able to 7/8th's at 100 yards" mean? You shot a 7/8" 9 shot group at 100 yards with the same load/rifle? Or you shot a 9 shot group at 100 yards that was 7/8ths the size of Dans at 50 yards? Or you shot your usual one 3 shot group of 7/8" at 100 yards ? What is it you are trying to tell us?

Larry Gibson

P.S.; no comment on my report of 10 shot group at 100 yards with my Finn M39 in the GB mould results forum using the GB314291?

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by starmetal:
Bret in that thread on Castboolits notice the 50 yard group DanM shot with his M95. I sold him that rifle, the old Lee 338 mould, and some left over Oldfeller bullets. I don't think there is anyone that knew that chamber better then Oldfeller and his bullet is the one to redesign.
That group that DanM did at 50 I was able to 7/8th's at 100 yards. I hope you believe what I told you I did with that rifle now. Larry Gibson pay attention here too.

Starmetal

What am I supposed to pay attention to? Let's see; a 2.5"+ 9 shot group at 50 yards (you know how I feel about 50 yard tests with HP cast bullet loads in rifles) using 18 gr of 2400 under the lee 205 gr bullit in a M95. Again; what's to pay attention to? Seems Dan is happy with that load and it works for him.

What does "That group that DanM did at 50 I was able to 7/8th's at 100 yards" mean? You shot a 7/8" 9 shot group at 100 yards with the same load/rifle? Or you shot a 9 shot group at 100 yards that was 7/8ths the size of Dans at 50 yards? Or you shot your usual one 3 shot group of 7/8" at 100 yards ? What is it you are trying to tell us?

Larry Gibson

P.S.; no comment on my report of 10 shot group at 100 yards with my Finn M39 in the GB mould results forum using the GB314291?

No I shot consistent 7/8th groups at 100 yards and it use to really piss Oldfeller off because he had a scope on his M95 and I had peep sights. In all fairness to him, his bore was a mess to say the least. Much more oversized in all dimensions. Pm DanM and ask him how he likes that rifle? Why did I sell it? Because I really didn't fancy the M95 action. Was told I should try a K31, but not real keen on straight pull actions. Those groups were with Oldfeller's designed bullets too. He did his homework there. In fariness to Dan too he's shooting a stiffer load then I was too. That was one rifle, esp with those 200 some gr bullets that punished your shoulder pretty good.

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Originally posted by starmetal:

No I shot consistent 7/8th groups at 100 yards and it use to really piss Oldfeller off because he had a scope on his M95 and I had peep sights. In all fairness to him, his bore was a mess to say the least. Much more oversized in all dimensions. Pm DanM and ask him how he likes that rifle? Why did I sell it? Because I really didn't fancy the M95 action. Was told I should try a K31, but not real keen on straight pull actions. Those groups were with Oldfeller's designed bullets too. He did his homework there. In fariness to Dan too he's shooting a stiffer load then I was too. That was one rifle, esp with those 200 some gr bullets that punished your shoulder pretty good.

Starmetal

I had thought you'd done pretty good with that rifle. I've one straight pull, a Ross MK 10, and don't reall fancy another straight pull rifle like you. I never cottened to the M95s or the K31s either even though I ran across some pretty decent ones. No there's nothing too shabby about a 200 gr cast bullet at a decnt velocity out of a light hunting rifle. I really like my M91 Mauser that I converted to .35 Remington. The 200 gr cast RCBS bullet cast soft at 2200 fps is a dandy hunting round. The recoil is there but not that bad even with the steel butt plate still on the cut down M91's military stock.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by starmetal:

No I shot consistent 7/8th groups at 100 yards and it use to really piss Oldfeller off because he had a scope on his M95 and I had peep sights. In all fairness to him, his bore was a mess to say the least. Much more oversized in all dimensions. Pm DanM and ask him how he likes that rifle? Why did I sell it? Because I really didn't fancy the M95 action. Was told I should try a K31, but not real keen on straight pull actions. Those groups were with Oldfeller's designed bullets too. He did his homework there. In fariness to Dan too he's shooting a stiffer load then I was too. That was one rifle, esp with those 200 some gr bullets that punished your shoulder pretty good.

Starmetal

I had thought you'd done pretty good with that rifle. I've one straight pull, a Ross MK 10, and don't reall fancy another straight pull rifle like you. I never cottened to the M95s or the K31s either even though I ran across some pretty decent ones. No there's nothing too shabby about a 200 gr cast bullet at a decnt velocity out of a light hunting rifle. I really like my M91 Mauser that I converted to .35 Remington. The 200 gr cast RCBS bullet cast soft at 2200 fps is a dandy hunting round. The recoil is there but not that bad even with the steel butt plate still on the cut down M91's military stock.

Larry Gibson

I will say those K31's are very accurate and finely made rifles. I feel the best of the straight pulls.

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Originally posted by starmetal:

I will say those K31's are very accurate and finely made rifles. I feel the best of the straight pulls.

Starmetal

I certainly have to agree. I've a couple shooting friends who have them. They are very well made and are very good shooters. I just couldn't get excited about them is all. Not sure why, maybe have too many guns to feed now is part of the problem

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by starmetal:

I will say those K31's are very accurate and finely made rifles. I feel the best of the straight pulls.

Starmetal

I certainly have to agree. I've a couple shooting friends who have them. They are very well made and are very good shooters. I just couldn't get excited about them is all. Not sure why, maybe have too many guns to feed now is part of the problem

Larry Gibson

You hit the nail on the head for me, too many other guns to feed right now. I've even been thinking of thinning out my collection.

damn I hit my max of guns myself, unless the wife trys and gets addicted....YA RIGHT!
Anyways wanted to pop in and ask, you guys know each other outside of the forum? You 2 really pick at each other and fantastic debates. I love reading your posts! learn a lot! Thanks guys!

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Originally posted by James Kain:
damn I hit my max of guns myself, unless the wife trys and gets addicted....YA RIGHT!
Anyways wanted to pop in and ask, you guys know each other outside of the forum? You 2 really pick at each other and fantastic debates. I love reading your posts! learn a lot! Thanks guys!

Lucky for Larry he lives waaay over on the west coast or I would have probably tested some of my high velocity high rpm cast bullets out on him for expansion and penetrate!!!! Larry, just kidding!!!!! In fact I thought maybe Larry might have dropped by when he was suppose to have gone visited another forum member in PA.

I'll be in PA again this summer. I m down there from maine every few years or less

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I'll be in PA again this summer. I m down there from maine every few years or less

W

Where do you go in PA?

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Originally posted by James Kain:
damn I hit my max of guns myself, unless the wife trys and gets addicted....YA RIGHT!
Anyways wanted to pop in and ask, you guys know each other outside of the forum? You 2 really pick at each other and fantastic debates. I love reading your posts! learn a lot! Thanks guys!

James

Starmetal knows I'm perfectly safe. By the time he thinks about it, gets his snowmobile lined up, and gets a good rest across the seat (seems that's the only way he shoots good anyways) I'd either have him nailed or be home in front of the fireplace with a cold whiskey!

Wish he were closer though, we could get some good shootin" done and have good times together Hope nobody takes offense at our "bickering". We actually agree on more than we disagree.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by James Kain:
damn I hit my max of guns myself, unless the wife trys and gets addicted....YA RIGHT!
Anyways wanted to pop in and ask, you guys know each other outside of the forum? You 2 really pick at each other and fantastic debates. I love reading your posts! learn a lot! Thanks guys!

James

Starmetal knows I'm perfectly safe. By the time he thinks about it, gets his snowmobile lined up, and gets a good rest across the seat (seems that's the only way he shoots good anyways) I'd either have him nailed or be home in front of the fireplace with a cold whiskey!

Wish he were closer though, we could get some good shootin" done and have good times together Hope nobody takes offense at our "bickering". We actually agree on more than we disagree.

Larry Gibson

Suzuki ATV Larry, they don't know what snowmobiles are here in TN. Aw shat, I got Larry half liking me again. Reckon I'm going to have to be mean again.

Starmetal

"Suzuki ATV"....ain't that one of them cheap made assault weapon look a likes with a phoney silencer/suppressor in .22LR? Figures you'd have one of those....goes with your personality Ya know, Earl Pitts would get all over you for not "buyin' American"

Larry Gibson

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Starmetal

"Suzuki ATV"....ain't that one of them cheap made assault weapon look a likes with a phoney silencer/suppressor in .22LR? Figures you'd have one of those....goes with your personality Ya know, Earl Pitts would get all over you for not "buyin' American"

Larry Gibson

Well there's a Toyota plant in KY, There's a BMW plant in SC, there's a Nissan plant in TN, and they are building a new VW plant in Chattanooga TN right now. It's very hard to buy a 100 percent American made product anymore. That Suzuki has been one hell of an ATV. Bought it in 95 and it's still running top notch. Hey I have a supped up 61 Chevy Impala in the bottom garage and a 56 Allis Chalmers tractor out in the tractor shed, and that 30-40 Krag along side the M1 Carbine...does that redeem me?

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.... Hey I have a supped up 61 Chevy Impala in the bottom garage and a 56 Allis Chalmers tractor out in the tractor shed, and that 30-40 Kray along side the M1 Carbine...does that redeem me?

Starmetal

I'll cut you some slack but not sure about Earl Pitts

Larry Gibson

30carbines are fun little rifles. I was told about a powder that helped group your cases in almost the same spot....if you want when I find out what powder it is I ll though you a PM...or a email ... or what not.

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30carbines are fun little rifles. I was told about a powder that helped group your cases in almost the same spot....if you want when I find out what powder it is I ll though you a PM...or a email ... or what not.

James

I'm always interested in .30 carbine data, send me the info please.

Larry Gibson

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Originally posted by Larry Gibson:

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Originally posted by James Kain:
30carbines are fun little rifles. I was told about a powder that helped group your cases in almost the same spot....if you want when I find out what powder it is I ll though you a PM...or a email ... or what not.

James

I'm always interested in .30 carbine data, send me the info please.

Larry Gibson

This bit of info is from Handloader #257 Dec 2008.
The guy writing the article talks about using a bunch of different powders and bullets. Although he dose not use SJ's which is unfortunate. Ever sense I bought some I have been wanting to find some in all the calibers I shoot. The powders used are VV-N110 2400 H110 IMR4227 Western5744. Bullets used 110Speer JSP 110 Sierra FMJ 110Hornady JSP 110Speer JSP 110 Hornady FMJ 115Redding/SAECO 302 and 115Cast RN.
He stated that IMR4227 grouped the worst, and the 5744 with cast piled the cases up rather neatly. H110 had the best grous and was stated that combined with FMJ or JSP bullets duplicated the military ballistics and would fling the shells strate straight forward of the shooter.
110GR Speer JSP VV-N110 12GR 1764FPS 13GR 1848FPS
" Sierra FMJ 2400 12.5 1819 13 1866
" Hornady HSP H110 14.5 1982
" Speer JSP H110 14.5 1943
" " " IMR4227 14.0 1723
" Hornady FMJ IMR4227 14.5 1869
" " JSP Western5744 15.0 1739
115 CAST RN VV-N110 12.0 1825
115 Red/SAE 302 2400 12.5 1854
" " " H110 14.0 1944
" " " IMR4227 14.0 1819
" " " Western5724 14.0 1718
Now These I have yet to test Personally

Next off of www.hodgton.com

Hodgdon Powder Company
Cartridge Load Recipe Report - 2/7/2009
data.hodgdon.com
30 Carbine
Load Type: Rifle
Cartridge Information
Case: Winchester Barrel Length: 20"
Twist: 1:20" Trim Length: 1.285"
Primer: CCI 400

30 Carbine
Cartridge Load Data Starting Loads
Maximum Loads
Bullet Weight (Gr.) Powder Bullet Diam. C.O.L. Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure Grs. Vel. (ft/s) Pressure
85 GR. SIE RN H4227 .308" 1.625" 14.5 2054 25,200 CUP 15.5C 2181 30,700 CUP
85 GR. SIE RN 296 .308" 1.625" 16.5 2293 26,000 CUP 17.5 2458 34,800 CUP
85 GR. SIE RN H110 .308" 1.625" 16.5 2293 26,000 CUP 17.5 2458 34,800 CUP
85 GR. SIE RN Lil'Gun .308" 1.625" 16.0 2140 20,300 CUP 17.0 2285 24,800 CUP
100 GR. HDY SJ IMR 4227 .308" 1.760" 16.0C 2005 40,000 CUP
100 GR. HDY SJ SR 4759 .308" 1.760" 11.0C 1575 23,700 CUP
100 GR. SPR SP H4227 .308" 1.625" 13.0 1879 28,900 CUP 14.5C 2026 33,600 CUP
100 GR. SPR SP 296 .308" 1.625" 14.5 2075 28,200 CUP 15.5 2202 36,100 CUP
100 GR. SPR SP H110 .308" 1.625" 14.5 2075 28,200 CUP 15.5 2202 36,100 CUP
100 GR. SPR SP Lil'Gun .308" 1.625" 14.0 2032 26,700 CUP 15.0 2132 28,300 CUP
110 GR. HDY JRN IMR 4227 .308" 1.680" 13.0 1826 30,100 CUP 14.5C 2003 38,800 CUP
110 GR. HDY JRN SR 4759 .308" 1.680" 11.0C 1545 26,100 CUP
110 GR. HDY JRN H4227 .308" 1.680" 13.0 1826 30,100 CUP 14.5C 2003 38,800 CUP
110 GR. HDY JRN 296 .308" 1.680" 14.0 2006 32,000 CUP 15.0 2106 36,500 CUP
110 GR. HDY JRN H110 .308" 1.680" 14.0 2006 32,000 CUP 15.0 2106 36,500 CUP
110 GR. HDY JRN Lil'Gun .308" 1.680" 14.0 1998 28,000 CUP 15.0 2064 29,800 CUP

NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS

This should get you a good start

I love how it butchered my editing to the page....now all the spacing is all screwed up!

That's just perfect for Larry, that's his lingo.
He'll figure her out.

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100 GR. SPR SP H110 .308" 1.625" 14.5 2075 28,200 CUP 15.5 2202 36,100 CUP

James

I'm not sure what barrel Hodgdon uses to test the .30 carbine in. I've been chrongraphing the .30 Carbine in a multitude of actual M1/M2 carbines since '75 in 3 different chronographs (all Oehlers). Velocities from all 3 chronographs and all of the carbines have been quite consistant.

My favorite load for j bullets has long been the Hornady 100 gr HJ followed by the Speer 100 gr HJ. Over 15.5 gr of H110 they run at 1940 to 1975 fps. How they came up with 2075 fps with 14.5 gr is beyond me. All of the other Hodgdon loads for the 30 Carbine are also consistantly high, especially the ones for the 85 gr Sierra bullet.

My favorite .30 carbine cast bullet load is the 313631 SWC (105 gr GC'd) over 14 gr of H110 for 1850 fps. The same cast bullet over 15.5 gr is 1950 fps but not quite as accurate. I cast these of WWs + 2% tin and HP them with a Forster HPing tool and they are really deadly on rabbits.

Larry Gibson

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100 GR. SPR SP H110 .308" 1.625" 14.5 2075 28,200 CUP 15.5 2202 36,100 CUP

James

I'm not sure what barrel Hodgdon uses to test the .30 carbine in. I've been chrongraphing the .30 Carbine in a multitude of actual M1/M2 carbines since '75 in 3 different chronographs (all Oehlers). Velocities from all 3 chronographs and all of the carbines have been quite consistant.

My favorite load for j bullets has long been the Hornady 100 gr HJ followed by the Speer 100 gr HJ. Over 15.5 gr of H110 they run at 1940 to 1975 fps. How they came up with 2075 fps with 14.5 gr is beyond me. All of the other Hodgdon loads for the 30 Carbine are also consistantly high, especially the ones for the 85 gr Sierra bullet.

My favorite .30 carbine cast bullet load is the 313631 SWC (105 gr GC'd) over 14 gr of H110 for 1850 fps. The same cast bullet over 15.5 gr is 1950 fps but not quite as accurate. I cast these of WWs + 2% tin and HP them with a Forster HPing tool and they are really deadly on rabbits.

Larry Gibson

No doubt, but I don't be leave I have my paperwork on my cono'ed m1 carbine. I use a Chornry. I love the thing. I m also hoping to pick up a printer for that by this summer so I don't have to strain my eyes to read the screen from 10'+ away.
But using IMR4227 I know I did not hit 2k or even close to it. I had to be well under 1900 in mine. Best guess would be gas would be escaping with the piston to run the bolt.
Now using Wheel Weights too I cast from Lyman's 311359 115GR Gas Check. But after all said and done the bullet really is pushing about 133GR in weight. Shooting for S&G's at the 200yrd swinger (before we got so much snow I had to park the truck and snowshoe in) you could see a poof of snow just past a ice bank about 25yrds short of the swinger. It would lose all of its momentum and just fall out of the sky. I had to try. This was using the cast bullets and 14GR IMR4227.
I read in a few places of the H110 and it had gotten good reviews in the carbine. So I loaded up some and soon as I can make it back to the range I will take it with me. Granted I don't take the 1906A3 with Gas Checked bullets. I m not at my bench and couldnt tell you what I loaded. Maybe 14.5 or 15. Glad I ran in to someone to compare notes with! Although I tend to ramble!