Is anyone on this forum loading 250 to 300 grain gas checked bullets in the 35 Rem?

Will you please share your performace in the field and at the range over a chronograph.

Have you been successfull in using full cases of powder without fillers?

What is your best performing powder without pushing a whole bunch of unburned powder out of the muzzle? roger

Yes! Do tell!
I'm interested in the low-pressure theory, which seemingly would imply a case full of slow burn.
Better yet, someone just send me there 35 and I'll do the research, sen it back in mostly the same condition!
;-)

NOBODY? roger

Sorry, haven't had a chance to try that combo. I think you'll find most 35 rem cast shooters are using 200 gr and lighter pills.

I did find in my 350 Rigby that when deep seating a bullet, ie gas check below the neck, that accuracy went south in a big way. Don't know if you can seat long enough to keep the gas check in the neck, but I'd strive for that.

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Originally posted by Paul H:
Don't know if you can seat long enough to keep the gas check in the neck, but I'd strive for that.

Gotcha, Paul. I was trying to get some cross info similar to my 9mm X41 which does have a deep throat and I don't have to bury the gas check into the powder room .See the problem now.

I'm getting performance all out of proportion with this small case and large bullets and I wanted to test the water to see if this is normal for what you cast bullets guys are use to.Thanks roger

Folks,

I have limited experience in loading the .35 Rem. but it seems to me that you can't seat a 300 gr lead bullet to acceptable overall length to make it feed properly for say, a 336 Marlin, and still get enough med-slow powder in the case to do an efficient job of pushing it out of a 20" barrel. Then there is the gas check problem mentioned by Paul....I've had the same problem with a 320 gr NEI in the 375 H&H in a Sako.

Slow, fat and big meplat kills real well. I wish there was a 200 gr version of the Lyman 358429 with a gas check. The 165 gr version kills deer real well from a .357 Mag and I'll bet a 200 gr version with a gas check would work real well in a .35 Rem too....guess you could use the RCBS version.

Unfortunately that is in between grounds on the 35 cast bullet shooting/testing I've done. I've done quite a bit of work with 150-200 gr in 357 mag, 357 max and 357 Herret, and then I jumped clear past the mid sized cases to the 35 whelen ackley and then re-chambered it to a 350 Rigby.

I've long wanted to try some of the mid sized cases, but just haven't had a chance. I got as far as necking up some br cases to 35 cal and seating bullets, but never built a rifle to handle them.

Sometimes you can get higher velocities with cast than jacketed, upwards of 100 fps with the same weight bullets. I find heavier bullets are often more "efficient" ie you can get reasonable velocities without much powder, or cavernous cases.

I don't recall the specs on your 35 wildcat, but I wouldn't be terribly suprised if you were getting around 2000 fps with ~300 gr cast bullets. Even with a 10" barrel, I was able to push 200 gr bullets 1900+ fps from a 357 maximum.

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Originally posted by Paul H:
I don't recall the specs on your 35 wildcat, but I wouldn't be terribly suprised if you were getting around 2000 fps with ~300 gr cast bullets. Even with a 10" barrel, I was able to push 200 gr bullets 1900+ fps from a 357 maximum.

My 9X41 Has a case capacity close to 2.5cc with a full charge of 4198 or 8208 it will push a 297gr. gas checked bullet to 2100 fps. 2900Ft.# That's 30-06 energy level from this little catridge. I have gooten close to 2000fps with a 250gr. jacketed bullet about 2200ft.# but really felt from case and primer appearance that this was max. The rifle has a 16.5" barrel. roger

Cast forum, OT, sorry, but wonder how these little guys would do with bigger jacketed bulelts with the driving bands? Supposed to reduce resistance, which is the magic of the softer cast bullets, right?
Get into solid copper and you have even longer bullets, less powder room, but maybe someone could make a "normal" jacketed bullet, then machin grooves in it (or even just a series of cannelures?)
Roger, as many 336's are out there in 35, I'm surprised it hasn't happened. Maybe you should offer to mail some out to someone....
(Wish I had one; not yet!)

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Originally posted by Bwana-be:
Cast forum, OT, sorry, but wonder how these little guys would do with bigger jacketed bulelts with the driving bands? Supposed to reduce resistance, which is the magic of the softer cast bullets, right?

It's funny you should mention that. It is exactly what has been going thru my head the last couple of days.Small bands front( start of ogive) and back at groove diameter and a lot of lands diameter in between.Plain cut down on baring surface such as Barnes is doing only MORE.Also like military artillery has done for many years. roger

I have used the Saeco 35-245 and Lyman 358318 and 3589 in my 35 Rem. The 35-245 Saeco has done the best. Unfortunately I choose not to say what powder and grs I use as it may not be safe for your application. I did however use the Lee method of reduced power loads. Mark

Roger, I'm not familiar with the 9x41, but that kind of performance is very impressive!!

Given the strength of the .35 Rem 336 Marlin, is it possible to push a .35 cal 300 gr to 2000 fps? That's probably 40% increase over factory loads. It can be done with a .444 in a 336, but that is a fairly big case compared to the .35 Rem....maybe fast powder or would medium slow powder be better?

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Originally posted by Lowrider 49:
Roger, I'm not familiar with the 9x41,That's because I'm the only one that owns one. It's my own wild cat. but that kind of performance is very impressive!!

Given the strength of the .35 Rem 336 Marlin, is it possible to push a .35 cal 300 gr to 2000 fps?Paul points out that you might have to seat the bullet out too far and I guess there also would be a question of throat depth.I have no idea if any .35 Rem. rifle could adequately handle this bullet. Although the 9x41 case length is only 1.635" the OAL with this bullet is > 2.400" That's probably 40% increase over factory loads. It can be done with a .444 in a 336, but that is a fairly big case compared to the .35 Rem....maybe fast powder or would medium slow powder be better?The three powders I've used are 680, 8208, and 4198. Apparently you do not need a case the size of the .444 to push a cast 300gr gas checked bullet 2100 fps. The only restrictions I've had keeping me from going for 2400fps is time and how much 4198 I can get into the case without totally crushing it. The rifle is being worked on now but when it gets back I'll continue playing with this. I really find this interesting as my experience with cast bullets has been minimal.

roger

At modern pressures, that sounds about right. Let's say a 358 win can push a 300 gr cast 2200 fps. A rough rule of thumb says velocity increases, and decreases by roughly 1/4 the rate that the powder capacity changes. Lets even be more conservative and say if drop the velocity 10%, down to ~2000 fps, we can drop the case capacity by 30%, or roughly going from a 40 odd gr charge of powder in the .358 win to a 30 odd gr charge of powder in our wildcat.

This is by no means a medium pressure round like the 35 rem, and I'd expect pressures are certainly in the 60,000 psi range. It is to say that at modern pressures, a small case can achieve very respectable performance.

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Originally posted by Orygun Mark:
I have used the Saeco 35-245 and Lyman 358318 and 3589 in my 35 Rem. The 35-245 Saeco has done the best. >>snip

Orygun Mark-

Please tell what kind of accuracy you were seeing and velocity please. I'm now starting the research to have a Browning 1895 converted to .35 Whelen and am contemplating what twist to go with. The .35 Rem uses a 1:16" IIRC and that's what I was initially thinking to use. Others have suggested 1:14" or faster...??? I'm aiming for 250gr. to 265gr. CB's and want them stable but want to keep the twist CB friendly!

Thanks-

Sky C.

I'd go 1-14. My 350 Rigby has a 1-14 barrel, is very cast friendly, and will stabalize the 358009 @ ~2000 fps which is a 280-290 gr bullet and can group them into an inch at 100 yds. The cast pistol bullets 150-200 gr shoot around 1" at 50 yds.

It seems like you need to go down faster than a 1-10 before you start getting unfriendly to cast bullets.

Roger, I drew up a 260g on Mountain Mould's website, can in at an easy 1.06", with a 60% meplat and 3.5 cal radius. Which is to say, make it wider at the top and you should be able to get close to 280 before getting into powder space.
As to what it would do with the bullet, that's another Q....

Sky C,
I am running around 1500-1600 FPS and 3" groups on a scoped 336. I used 220 gr bullet info when I did my reduced loads. According to the Greenhill formula this bullet shouln't work in my 336 but that's what happens when you don't believe what you read. I have also shot them out of a 14" T/C but the groups opened up to about 4".
Hopes this helps.

My load in the .358 Winchester runs 2077 fps, shooting the Bator Heavy, at 277 gr. ready to go. This is a kissing cousin of the 358009. Barrel twist is 1-12, and can shoot into an inch at a hundred yards, if I hold my mouth right. The bator Light, I have had good luck up to 1985 fps so far shooting into about two inches at a hundred. I haven't worked wioth this bullet yet too much. Weight is 237 gr, lubed and checked. I've also got a .35 Remington, but haven't done enough work with it yet to give any good info. I will say, the .35 Rem, and .358 Win are about perfect case size for cast bullet shooting at near 100% case capacity, and 1-12, to 1-14 should do you well.
I have killed deer, elk, and buffalo with the Bator Heavy, with no problems at all.

A little deviation here; in the .358x 404 IMP, with 33.4 gr. of blue dot ,no fillers, the 297gr gas checked bullet moves out at 1938 with no visable presuure signs. roger

How's the accuracy?

I need to find a good load for my 350 Rigby, 44 gr of RL 15 was very accurate, but it would hangfire with CCI 200's, and the other primers tried opened up groups.

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Originally posted by Paul H:
How's the accuracy?about 3"

I need to find a good load for my 350 Rigby, 44 gr of RL 15 was very accurate, but it would hangfire with CCI 200's, and the other primers tried opened up groups.

My wildcat demands that I use magnum primer or gets a lot of click bangs roger

Oh, that's not so good

I got spoiled, the 44 gr of RL 15 with the CCI 200 put 5 into 1" at 100 yds, the CCI 250, Fed 210 and Fed 215 opened up the groups to 2-3". I done got spoiled with that one good load, but in cold temps it hang fires, so I discontinued using it.

Now that I know the bullet and rifle is capable of moa, I just have to find a reliable load that achieves that level of accuracy.

Roger, are you using filler? 33.4g just floating in that cavern sounds a little iffy. Seems I had around 50g 3031 with a bunch of TP making it to around 2400 fps, don't recall offhand, but even that was only half full.
Never tried BlueDot, but I have a bunch of it though....

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Originally posted by Bwana-be:
Roger, are you using filler? 33.4g just floating in that cavern sounds a little iffy. Seems I had around 50g 3031 with a bunch of TP making it to around 2400 fps, don't recall offhand, but even that was only half full.
Never tried BlueDot, but I have a bunch of it though....

I thought it might be a little iffy also but I'll tell you it performed well. I've been fallowing Seafire's Blue Dot postings for more than a year I'm sure. The one thing that seems to come out of his experiments is that really small loads of blue dot in large cases has not proved to be position sensitive or hard to light.There does not seem to exist any evidence to the contrary.might be sending you some info tonight. roger

Received. Thanks. I'll check it out.