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“There are some interesting dark objects changing shape out in the grass…let’s get loaded and moving” says Kyler. It’s 5:30 AM and still before legal shooting light. My buddy Roger and I are hunting with Kyler again (we are gluttons for punishment). So Kyler, Roger, and I head off on the stalk. Not much of a breeze but what is there is mostly in our face. For good luck, I decide to bring my coffee with me. Gotta have the important stuff. We get to within about 250 yards and now we can tell they are definitely pigs. If the grass is as high where the pigs are as it is where we are standing now, the pig on the left is a monster and the 6 or 7 to the right are nice meat pigs. We close to within 150 and now we are sure the pig on the left is a monster it is at least twice the size as the pigs to the right. We cut the distance to 90 yards and then to 70 yards and the sticks go up. Kyler is thinking how we get two out of the group and then we decide to not get greedy. Roger is up first and he is on the sticks. I'll shoot back-up. I whisper to Roger that if the big monster stays in the grass when you are ready to shoot, hold just into the top of the grass. I have made the mistake before where you have a tendency to hold into the center of what you can see and at this distance given he is plus 2 @ 100 the bullet will strike high and he might not even get a spine hit. I am on his left…the big black monster starts to move off at a walk…straight away and moving slightly left towards my side. The wind changes slightly and now the big black monster starts to move out with more purpose. Kyler whistles, no help. This ain’t gonna get any better. I let one loose when it is at about 90 yards, a miss (I of course will now be the subject of ridicule for shooting first because Roger is "first up" but I will plead extenuating and mitigating circumstances that pig was about to escape)…now all hell breaks loose and at least 8 pigs are “exiting stage right” and trying to get out of Dodge. I cycle the action and swing past the monster and touch another one off. A second miss! Lead it more I think…the pig is at about 150 yards now. I open the lead and I am aware Roger is shooting but no hits yet…I touch one off - boom immediately followed by “thump”. Kyler confirms "He's hit". The black monster stumbles, slows and is wobbling some as he continues to move out. He doesn’t go down and is still easily capable of escaping. Roger and Kyler are both shooting…boom, a miss (Roger)…boom, thump - a hit (Roger)…boom, a miss (not sure who)...boom, thump - another hit (Kyler) and its down. No, it’s back up again and moving. Roger fires boom, a thump - its down for good. A few congrats and laughs. We can't decide if our shooting was any good or if there were just so many bullets in the air, the pig ran into a few of them. Kyler goes to get the vehicle and like a good guide returns with my coffee that I had set down in the field just after we started the stalk. Roger and I went to the pig. At first, I think there is ground shrinkage but realize I am approaching the pig head on. As we change angles, it becomes apparent that this is the second biggest pig I have ever seen taken.  158 lbs butcher hanging weight, estimated live weight 316 lbs, and 59 inches rump to snout. All his tusks had been broken off. My hit was just but behind the vitals and went a little forward just barely into them. Kyler’s was clearly a going away shot as his hit inside a ham and traversed about 36 inches of pig into the back of the vitals. Roger had a high shoulder and a neck hit.  I was shooting my son’s BLR with Barnes 180 grn Xs (recovered) Retained weight 179.3 grns expansion to .70  Roger a Rem 700 in 308 Win with 165 GMXs Kyler a Sako 375hh with 300 grn TSXs (recovered) Kyler if you can please post retained weight and expansion. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | ||
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Nice pig, what outfit were you hunting with? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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Kyler Hamann Boaring Experiences Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Way to go! Hope he eats good. Were you hunting near Santa Margarita or Parkfield? Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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Santa Margarita Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike--you're still after the pigs--and I remember you and Jeffe and your visit to my lease many years ago. You and Jeffe tracking the pig with me in my tennies and shorts hanging behind both of you and watching the nearest climbable tree-- An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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When Kyler thumped him with the 375hh, I think his only real motivation was not to have to go into the brush pile to get the wounded pig. He has no sense of humor. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I'm bettin' the brush pile was a patch of old growth poison oak. Seems like that's where they always go. Not at all humorous. | |||
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Great hunting with you again Mike. There were a quite a few shots fired before he was down for good, but you're being modest on the difficulty of those running shots in low light and tall grass. At final count it looked like he was hit either 4 or 5 times - with two of the shots through the lungs and one through the neck. I'm disappointed in my photo taking on that one, the pictures really didn't do that boar justice. He was a beast - just a barrel with legs. For this really dry year, he's in the best condition of any pig we've taken this year. I've had to crawl through that exact brush patch after wounded pigs a couple times - that one is not fun and goes on forever. Once I was sure he was hit twice I figured I'd help knock him down before he got into the thick stuff. While it ended up that my bullet was sticking out of the skin on the off side, I'm surprised it didn't whistle right through. I've only recovered a few of those 300 grain Barnes bullets over the years. It only expanded to .68" but it weighed right at 299 grains. Although he was a very big and old boar, I'll bet the meat will still be good because he was in such good condition. | |||
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Detailed report with 27 8x10, color, glossy photos with circles and arrows. Pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner, the southwest corner and that's not to mention the aerial photography. Pigs have a way of making life a bit more exciting. Time to break out the BBQ sauce. | |||
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Excellent report ,congratulations for a great hunt . www.huntinginargentina.com.ar FULL PROFESSIONAL MEMBER OF IPHA INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL HUNTERS ASOCIATION . DSC PROFESSIONAL MEMBER DRSS--SCI NRA IDPA IPSC-FAT -argentine shooting federation cred number2- | |||
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A fun read ! Congrats on a great big hog! "Up the ladders and down the snakes!" | |||
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Sweet! Ugly rifle though.  | |||
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Nice pig! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Thanks for all the nice comments. Except for Tendrams, who is clearly a communist sympathizer because only a communist sympathizer would insult a man's son's rifle. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Great report, you're a fun guy to hunt with. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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