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.....hunting leasee on neighbors place, shot a sow with a .17 rimfire behind the ear, she dropped like a rock. She was just across the fence from my place. He didn't weigh her, but took her to Detroit Locker plant and told them to make all sausage out of her, nothing added. 300 pounds of sausage! Now that is a PIG. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | ||
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They must have added something to it, and/or it wasn't truly a feral. I usually expect a 30-40 yield at most from live weight to take home after processing. | |||
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Nothing added, no local domestic hogs around here. I saw a sow on my place a year and a half ago, absolutely wild, that would easily have weighed 450-500. Typical carcass meat yield on a hog is 50 plus percent. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Did he (or could he) send you a photo you could post? Would love to see it... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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No pics, nada. He shot it, used his vehicle to load it on a trailer and hauled it to processor. Same guy was given a hurt bull locally. Took it to another processor, told them to grind it into hamburger. His bill was about $750.....they charge by the pound. But he won't be short of hamburger or sausage anytime soon. As an aside, all "my" local hogs (which would have included this one) have had unfettered access to over 1000 acres of corn for the last 3 or 4 months. They destroyed the corn field. It was amazing. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I can come shoot some for you  Mike | |||
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300lbs of sausage and 50% yield is a 600-lb animal on the hoof--- An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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I talked to the guy today. He said, "just under 300 pounds of sausage". With a real yield of 55%, I would put the hog at about 525, which could easily have been the sow I saw a while back. She was enormous. Last night, he also caught 10 100 pound range hogs in one of his traps next to my fence. For everyone who says they don't exist, etc. they dogged a barrow hog in Ok on a locals place, weighed 506 not long ago. Mike: Because of past bad results, I don't invite people that have to travel a long ways because hogs are so hit and miss. Hell, I am wrapped up with hogs and it took Kensco 2 trips to shoot one. Bottom line, if you're in the area and want to try your luck, come on, BUT I strongly advise against coming very far because you might well not see one, especially now that the acorns and pecans are starting to drop and they will stay back in the woods. Of course, Biebs says you can't hit one in bayonet range......  In addition, deer season opens 11/5 and that shuts down all hog hunting visitors, unless I like you.  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Yep- make that two of us! Can you say BBQ? Doug Wilhelmi NRA Life Member | |||
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To everyone on here, that talks about how if hogs are such pests in Texas, why don't landowners just let people on to their property to eradicate them, read Gato's words real carefully. We run hog hunts out in northwest Texas, and even though we may see hogs on a daily basis, and the local trappers catch a lot of pigs, there are times that we go for days, weeks and never see any pigs or any fresh sign. For us, booking pig hunters is always a proposition where having a camera card full of recent pictures of plenty of hogs one week and not seeing a hog for two or three weeks is a real probability. The last group of pig hunters we had were here on the 23rd. thru 25th. of September, and while we did manage to get one pig, and actually all 3 hunters got shots, in the exchange of emails with them before the hunt, I told them that I had my doubts because I had not seen a live hog that wasn't in a trap for over a month. From my experience feral hogs tend to be a Feast or Famine proposition. Even the rocks don't last forever. | |||
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Gato given my luck with white tails - I was hunting today with admiral/subsailor74 on his spot in SC and had a whitetail 8 point walk under my stand (could find not angle to shoot him with my 375 ruger) all your deer are safe from me  Hogs now they are special. I seriously don't get why any would want white tails on their property. It should be all reserved for axis and hogs. Hopefully in near future I can stop by and we can get the best q around you. Mike | |||
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Mike, Sorry to hear you couldn't drop that 8 pointer. Some years back, I had a 8 point come under the fallen tree I was perched on and as soon as I moved the rifle to shoot (almost straight down) he bolted. Must have gone 40 yards in 1 second right back into the thick stuff. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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What do the local trappers do with them? | |||
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Most of them are sold live. There is quite a restaurant market in the northeast (and other areas) for "wild boar". | |||
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I don't know what the two on the right here weigh, and I suspect they have dominoed since this picture was taken, but the look pretty big to me. We have killed a couple that I estimate went 175-190+ on the hoof (based in part on weight of bone-in meat at the processor), but I think these trump that.  ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Offhand, I'd put them in the 175-200 range. How are you figuring live wt from bone-in meat? xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I figure 2x or more from the weigh-in at the processor. I keep the ribs, so that drives up the weight at the processor. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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For a lawyer, you're confusing the hell out of simple old me. What do you mean by weigh-in at the processor? Live carcass weight before processing? If you keep the ribs, how does that drive up the weight at the processor? Seems to me that would make it weigh less. However, all that said, a 100% addition to freezer ready product wt., with nothing added, is probably reasonably close to live weight, give or take 5%. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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By "keep" I mean I do not discard them. So their weight is part of what weighs in at the processor. Kubys gives you the weight of the meat you leave there as it is part of their pricing formula. I typically leave the tenderloins and backstraps in and just put that whole center section, including the ribs, in the cooler. That way I can get true pork chops instead of butterflied meat if I want them. So I figure the live weight with head, hide, innards, etc. is close to 2x the weigh-in amount. There was a formula going around years ago of 1/3 organs, 1/3 head and hide, 1/3 the rest, but I am not a big believer in it. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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Wt of pig without scale.....(from net, not guaranteed by me, supposed to be accurate within 3%) Using cloth tape, get diameter of pig just behind front legs=heart girth. Measure pig from base of ears to base of tail. Heart girth squared x length divided by 400 = wt. pounds xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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That sounds like real work and math -- might go back to my system I used in South Texas. I always estimated about 60-65 pounds when I shot one, and revised it to 100-125 when I had to put them in the truck. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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If I've got the time, I'm going to test it and weigh hogs before, and after skinning, field dressing. Right now all I've got is spring scales. I may buy a more accurate one if I can find one semi-reasonable. In my case, except for really little ones, hogs ALWAYS look smaller until you get up to them and think, "Damn, how am I going to handle this?" However, a short length of chain or strong rope and I can drag them miles without damaging the meat. I keep same in truck and one on 4 wheeler. Saw at least 80 hogs today, in 2 groups of 30+ and 50+. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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I keep straps and chains in the Jeep, but so far we have been able to get them on to the hitch haul. There are definitely some out there where that would be a challenge. We weighed only one in South Texas, a big boar, and he went 215. He was a load to get into the bed of my friend's one-ton Ford... I guess it was the climate down there, but we did not often see real big ones. ------------------------------- Some Pictures from Namibia Some Pictures from Zimbabwe An Elephant Story | |||
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I would posit that feral hogs that weigh more than 175 are a fairly small percentage of population, a WAG would be 3% or less. However, locally, this year, because our hogs had basically unlimited access to a couple of thousand acres of corn and took full advantage of that, to them, happy circumstance, we are seeing quite a few more large hogs than normal. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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A post on another board got me to thinking about this one. The yields mentioned here aren't boned out weight but carcass weight (minus head, hide, hoofs & guts). The boned-out weight would be even less. So, to have right at 300 pounds of sausage with no other meat being added, the hog, on hoof, would have to be pushing 800 pounds. Sure wish there was a photo to see... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Ridiculous, using your math, a pig only yields 37 1/2% boneless meat and fat from live wt. Try this example: For bone-in pork, expect no more than 75-80% of the carcass weight back as meat. For boneless, 65-70%. Live wt. = 245 lbs. Carcass wt. = 176 lbs. Boneless pork = 123 lbs xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Gatogordo wrote: "Live wt. = 245 lbs. Carcass wt. = 176 lbs. Boneless pork = 123 lbs" ------ If you expect 50 percent or more BONELESS meat from the live weight of a hog you are being quite the optimist! In fact, here is some information from Devine Meats Processing. Their finding mirrors what I have seen over the years from a few hundred hogs: "Here is a little education for all the hunters out there who expect an ice chest full of sausage when they drop off a big boar for processing. We shot this pig, in the head mind you, and recorded all the breakdowns and percentages of the carcass. 180# = 100% live weight 60# = 33% Head hide and hooves 25#. =14%. Guts 95#. =53%. Hot weight carcass yield Bone out weight was 68# which is 38% of live weight or 71% of carcass weight. Mind you it was head shot and boned out by professionals and very well conditioned off a peanut farm. So basically most hunters can expect 1/3 or less bone out weight of live weight on most leaner hogs especially if they are blown through the shoulders with a small cannon." Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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My above figures are from a Penn St. Animal Professor's page. I'm sure he is absolutely wrong and if you think the average meat yield of a pig is less than 3/8 live wt. so are you. http://animalscience.psu.edu/e...tole%20My%20Meat.pdf And another from Gourmet Sleuth:
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You are comparing DOMESTIC to feral -- animals which are obviously built very differently in terms of meat vs. bone/hide, etc. weights. The proportions for feral vs. domestic hog comparisons is the proverbial apples-to-oranges matchup. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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BS, muscle is heavier than fat. I suppose now you going to claim domestic hogs spend their day working out. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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For what it’s worth: I’m sure pigs are built a bit different in different areas and different seasons, but I kept careful track of the dressed weights on 30+ local feral pigs a few decades ago. The main purpose I was keeping track was to see what the locker dressed weight was compared to live weight. Often people aren’t able to get a good “live” weight after their hunt so a carcass weight at the butcher is their only accurate weight. As I recall the live weights ranged from around 100 pounds to around 300 pounds. And to that end I specifically remember the average for the locker dressed carcass weight (head, hide, hooves and guts removed) was 47% of the “live on the hoof weight" as they were killed. These weights were taken over several seasons and a few different ranches so they would have encompassed various conditions of the pigs (i.e. good feed (stealing crops) and poor feed conditions). I remember that lactating sows (and late stages of pregnancy) threw off the 47% because they typically had extra weight that came off with the hide. Really large boars threw off the 47% too because of their large heads and thick gristle coming off with the hide. I didn’t have a large enough sample of either of those categories to come up with a solid percentage predictor, but depending on the individual size and condition I recall their locker carcass weight was typically closer to the low to mid 40% range. I didn't keep any records of what comes back from the butchers. Hope this helps. | |||
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Kyler- Your records perfectly mirror my findings after a few hundred hogs. I have found boned-out weight to range anywhere from 28-29 percent on the low end to upwards of 38 percent, with most falling somewhere in between. Thanks for your post and sharing your results. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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My statistics are very similar to Bobby's, between 2001 and 2007, I weighed 5 pigs in the field, then weighed the hanging carcass (no head, no hide, no guts, leg removed form the knee down) at the butcher, then weighed the packaged weight when I picked it up. The average of the 5 pigs was: Butcher Hanging weight 49% of Live weight. Packaged weight 70% of Butcher Hanging Weight Packaged Weight = 34% of Live Weight Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Not sure how many hogs I've killed (more than 250) but I can only remember 2 that topped 200 on the scales and 1 that topped 250. Maybe another 10-12 that topped 175. But then, I typically shoot the 80-150 lb size for freezer fillers. An old pilot, not a bold pilot, aka "the pig murdering fool" | |||
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Yep, no matter what the ratio, we can all agree that a pig that yielded 300 pounds of sausage was a monster! Hope you get a shot at it's twin Gato. Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can. | |||
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