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A little before dark last night, I pulled the trigger on my 6.5 Bullberry IMP Contender after drawing a bead on a small (100 lb.) sow at just over 200 yards. Perhaps 80 percent of the time, the piggies expire right in their tracks when the Bullberry speaks. But this little sow was a runner, and despite the audible "whap" of bullet breaking bone, she disappeared into a thicket which was several feet behind her. No problem -- or so I thought. In that thicket was the most impenetrable tangle of vines, limbs and what-have-you, and most of it either scratched, poked or smacked you when the limb rebounded. And then there were the assorted arachnids and the ever-present fire ants that feasted on me the entire time. I KNEW the piggie was in there; heck, I was so close I could smell her. But I still could not see into there, and when I shined a light, the dancing shadows only created more problems. To make a long story short, that sow traveled only 28-30 yards after the shot, but it was the toughest retrieve I have ever made. It took me AT LEAST 90 minutes to get her out of there. Instead of the typical hog picture (which I didn't do as it was hot and I had to expedite the butchering 'lest it spoil), I was tempted top take a photo of my face, hands, arms and legs. It looked like I'd literally been through hell -- and I actually think I may have been. While I was in the midst of that thicket, I convinced myself that the hog got the better end of this deal...  So, guys, what was your toughest retrieve? By the way, the 130 grain Accubond, launched at 2626 fps MV, broke the onside shoulder, destroyed the lungs and continued just behind the opposite shoulder, leaving a fifty-cent-sized exit in its wake. The lasered range was 209 yards. Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | ||
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My toughest retrieve was my right arm from underneath a double coyote that I woke up next too... of course I bet some of the opposite gender would say the same about me too... Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I only needed neosporin after my outing. Sounds like you may have needed something a bit stronger!!! Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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wow, With MD's post I can see where this thread may be heading. During those days we used to call it buffalo humping, but I'll refrain from taking my post in that direction. Unlike Bobby, I am a city dweller and have to travel some distance these days to hunt hogs. I hunt in the Texas hill country. It seems the emphasis should be on hill, casue most of the game I shoot, if they are not DRT, run always run straight down hill. I hunt a lot by myself and take great pride in always being able to retrieve the game I shoot and load it by myself. Stupid? Probably so, but thats the way I'm wired. At 58 years old,I'm 5'8" tall and weigh 185. Loading any dead animal on the back of my polaris ATV that weighs over 150 lbs is somewhat of a challenge. One animal that sticks out in my mind was an axis buck I shot. I was at my Vanderpool lease. None of my hunting buds were in camp. The rancher had gone to town. I shot this buck, that I later weighed at 184 lbs. I could have tied a strap around him and drug him back, but he had a prime cape and I wanted it. Dragging him back would ruin the cape. It was like a comedy of errors. Of course it was on the side of a hill. I managed to get the 4 wheeler on the downhill side. Tried to prop his head up against the ATV tire. Try squatting or bending over to where your hands are 18" below your feet an dead lift a weight equal or greater than your own body weight while trying to overcome the friction of the fender catching against the animals hide. Right quick it will make you draw a couple of quick and heavy breaths. Well I ended up getting him up on to the back rack of the four wheeler, just to get careless and let him slide off the downhill side. I was just about ready to shoot myself and lay down next to him. I had just about exhausted my strength loading him the first time. Anyway to make a long story short, I finally got him loaded and back to camp, but I thought I was going to have a heart attack by the time I did. Here is a pix of that axis.  And for good measure, here are two animals that I got help to retrieve. The audad expired on the down side of a hill. He weighed in around 270 lbs.  This pig I couldn't budge. I had to get my son to get his portable winch and hook it up to this trailer.  GWB | |||
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Ok, here goes, the first hog I shot was on the Red River several years back. Was a nice spring morning when we started, but on the river bottom it was hot, muggy, and insect infested. We snuck up on a group of hogs and my hunting buddy said I had to shoot the largest hog in the group!! His lease,his rules. I planted a '06 round in a HUGE BOAR'S head at about 50 yards and dead pig. Then we looked around and learned that the hog was a bout 400 yards through the thickest, meanest stuff you ever saw to the 4 wheeler trail! We had to use our pocket knives to blaze a trail back to it. As we lugged the hog, we slung our rifles and heaved too! About half way through the brush we walked right into another bunch of sleeping hogs which rose like a covey of 100 Lb quail! I actually had one brush my leg leaving! We finally reached the trail, walked back another 3/4 mile to the 4 wheeler, then drove and picked up the hog. We got it to George's house and his scales which go to 280 lbs pegged with the hogs guts out. Oh yeah, the bottom was COVERED in poison ivy, etc and somewhere along the way I needed to uh...urinate and got the stuff all over places you really shouldnt have it! So the hog cost me a trip to the doctor and the snickers of the nursing staff!! BEAT THAT !!!!! Eterry Good luck and good shooting. In Memory of Officer Nik Green, #198, Oklahoma Highway Patrol Troop G...Murdered in the line of duty 12-26-03...A Good Man, A Good Officer, and A Good Friend gone too soon | |||
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eterry Don't know that I would stroke much less beat a sore poison ivy infected XXXXXX. GWB | |||
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GWB- I know you can look back now and have a laugh out of the axis deer mis-adventure, but at the time -- like with this little sow I shot -- I know it was really fustrating and far from funny. I am far from as mobile as I once was, and crawling on my belly through tiny spaces just isn't my cup of tea. For a good while, I did think the hog got the better end of the bargain. Eterry- Poison ivy on the privates HAS to be bad. Having to go to the doctor with it can only make the situation seem even worse. I have lived around the stuff all my life, walked through it, mowed/shredded it and have yet to get it. My poor wife can just be near it and suffers its wrath. I forgot to add in my original post: Once I got out of there and retrieved the tractor to load the piggie on, the capper for the ordeal was when I reached down to pick up something I had dropped and plopped my hand into a large nettle that burned the daylights out of me... Bobby Μολὼν λαβέ The most important thing in life is not what we do but how and why we do it. - Nana Mouskouri | |||
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Hunting in South Texas I have retrieved several pigs and deer for clients that I had to crawl on all fours because the upper canopy is so thick you cant push through it. I have drug pigs over 100 yards through this stuff and am amazed I have yet to encounter a face to face with the reptilian kind. That stuff down there either sticks, cuts and stings, and I think can do all at the same time. Founding member of the 7MM STW club Member of the Texas Cull Hunters Association | |||
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FYI, I got a pretty good cas eof poison oak once and the best fix I found was... the "ruhlee" cream on top and two bendryl followed by another benadryl every 2 hours fortunatley for me...bendryl doesn't make me drowsy Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I know what you guys mean about the tangle in South Texas swamp. The one pig I shot there that I had to follow into the woods became buzzard food because my buddy and I couldn't find it even with the help of his dog. Fortunately it was late winter and the veg & bugs were in remission, but I could envision what it would be like at 90 degrees. We don't have pigs in Alaska, but my worst experience was with a moose I shot about 3/4 mile from the road, early one cool September morning. By the time my buddy and I celebrated then started to work, the sun was up and things started warming up. There is a little biting bug they call white sox. I don't know what it's real name is, but it is the bug from hell for sure. As it got warmer they swarmed around all that blood, feasting on us too. They were so thick it was hard to breathe and they would fly into my eyes and ears too. Pure misery. We had to stop, and drive back to town to get headnets and plenty of bug repellant, pack frames, and some help - with strong backs/legs & weak minds succeptable to encouragement with cold beer and the promise of fresh moose meat if we could get it out of the woods before the bears got it. By the time we got back, my buddy and I had swolen up around the ears, neck, arms - well heck our whole faces. We were both so sick we were throwing up, yet we still hauled out 80 lb + loads for 3/4 mile over that spongy ground, through the devels club, until I thought my knees and back would blow out. Later though, that moose tasted pretty good, and there was plenty of meat to share with all those helping plus others. KB ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ | |||
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GW: I've mentioned this before, but for us lone hunters, there is a "trick" that really helps (doesn't necessarily make it easy, but sometimes it takes it from impossible to merely difficult). Besides the obvious of carrying a piece of fairly light weight chain (but real chain, not dog stake out stuff) with hooks on both ends to DRAG a hog back to your butchering area (won't hurt them, and is quick and easy, just loop chain above one rear hock, take a couple of turns and hook it as tight as you can, attach to trailer ball that you have on your 4wheeler), always carry a decent sized 3/8" or better piece of rope about 10 feet long with you, then if you're trying to load a heavy animal into a truck or onto a 4 wheeler by your self, loop rope around neck, head, or horns, and pull that end as high up as you can get it, while tightening up rope and tieing off. Depending on how heavy the animal is, usually this will allow you to manhandle the other end into truck/4 wheeler. If not, have two pieces or rope (rope can be used for drag as chain above but is more subject to breaking unless it is fairly large diameter), and repeat process by now tieing up rear end, going back and raising front end a bit and tieing off, etc. This sounds like a pain, and it is, but it will get the job done when straining your back may not. The problem with loading an animal is really not only the wt but the "floppy" factor, this allows you to only have to control approx 1/2 of the animal and keeps the other end from flopping out or hanging up as you heave. It works. xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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Great trophies !!!!!! The pig is a monster !!  L | |||
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I use a small set of pulley's rated for around 450#, some quality 3/8" rope, a couple of quick links and small shackles. I do however have a winch on the one bike and one similar or just like the one pictured. Both have been used for big hogs in bad places. Most of the ones I get I can drag a little ways, and some I can simply grab up and throw up on the back of the 4 wheeler. After herniating two disc a couple of years back, I am all into letting the mechanical advantage work for me now. The top listed gear will all fit into a small WW-II fanny pack with enough rope to get to and drag or haul up into a tree, just about any hog I should ever run across. Just keep adding the pulley's as needed. A little rigging here and there can be amazingly easy on the back in a tight situation. Mike / Tx | |||
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