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I got invited on a last minute pig hunt and they sometimes use dogs.

I don't have my 44 mag yet so I was maybe thinking of using my Kimber 1911 45 with +p rounds. 230 grn fmj flat points at 950 fps. Inside of 25 yds

What say ye? is it enough


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Watch for over penatration that could put the dogs at risk. Pop a pig through the lungs and it will be dead in 10 seconds. Recovery of the pig, however, will depend on wether it was running full tilt or unaware of your presence. It's all good...have fun!

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I too say it'll work! When are you going, Mike?



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Sure will...


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Whitworth,

I am going this coming Saturday. I got invited to tag along. Heard they sometimes use dogs.

I always wanted to take something with a handgun. Thought this might be a good opportunity.


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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The 45 ACP will work. I have done it when I was backing up a friend hog hunting and the dogs bayed up two huge hogs. So, of course I took one of them with my 45 ACP I was carrying.


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Mike, be sure and take lots of pictures! Good luck and have a great time!



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Mike--have you forgotten our conversation when you and Jeffe hunted on my place couple of years ago? It's hard to be under- or over-gunned for a pig if you can shoot the firearm in question. Pop 'em in the ear with anything from a .22LR to a .460 AR and it's over--but you gotta be within range!!


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Alan,

I am old and decrepit...I forget everything. But I will shoot for his head.


Mike

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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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Alan,

I am old and decrepit...I forget everything. But I will shoot for his head.


How big are these hogs? 200 or so pounds + and the 45 ACP wil get the job done even in the chest cavity.


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If you reload Barnes makes a killer 45 ACP round (185 grns I think). I handload them for my Kimber. If you don’t reload I would put a Gold Dot behind an ear. If your up close and personal, headshots are always best.

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The last pig I shot was with a .45 ACP.

I caught up to the dogs, looked around and was all alone, so I stuck my Springfield Armory in his right ear and gave him a 230 FMJ; end of chase.


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Mike,
My other guide Dwayne, who you've hunted with and I'm sure remember, has used a .45ACP as his backup gun since the mid-'90's. Over the years, I've also had several clients use them sucessfully.

Not my choice, but as with any hunting discussion, placement is king and bullet quality is queen. Remember FMJ's aren't legal.

BTW - we took a boar that could have been a twin to Roger's almost in the same place yesterday evening.

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Kyler, post up some pictures!



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What do you guys think would be the ideal bullet then for this type of handgun hunting?
Hollow point, FMJ or hard lead?


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In my opinion, if your .45 will feed them, hardcast flat-points....... Hollow-points I use for personal defense, and they just don't penetrate well on thick-skinned and densely built animals like hogs. Yes, you can shoot them behind theear, but this shot doesn't always present itself.



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The Barnes 185 grn. The only bad thing is you have to load them yourself. I load them for my Kimber and they shoot great.
 
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The .45ACP is adequate for pigs. Shot a good few with it. Your FMJ should work fine. A good 200-230 cast SWC or FP will also work well. I learned long ago to avoid the JHPs on pigs as penetration is often a spotty affair. Accuracy as always is paramount. Still expect to chase a few if head and/or spine are missed.
 
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Whitworth,
You asked for photo's... these boars were taken last week very near where Mike's friend Roger took his boar a few weeks ago. (Sorry about the hijack Mike).





How did the hunt go Mike? (Now I saw the other thread, congrats.)


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Nice hogs, Kyler!! Thank you for posting them!



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Crummy Sellior and bellot .45acp full metal jacket stuff works good on hogs out to about 30 yards Big Grin



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Especially on monster hogs like that one, Justin! Big Grin



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Especially on monster hogs like that one, Justin! Big Grin


That was funny Whitworth... rotflmo


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Especially on monster hogs like that one, Justin! Big Grin


I think she weighed a lil over 400lb rotflmo


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Justin, did you mean 4-lbs?? jumping



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I was hopin Justin had a loaf of bread with and we could make sandwiches and just eat the whole thing right there


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What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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When i was 12 my father gave me an old 1911 ligthly ,customized by AUGUSTO COCCONI a genius gunsmith ,with it ,my only hangun at that time,i killed many feral hogs and some rabbits using fmjs ,the only bullet i cloud find.But i can assure you that a well hit with a fmj ,brain,neck or heart will do the work.Juan


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