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Took this boar Friday night in North Carolina at my usual spot at about 9:00 at night. Shot him with my .416 Remmie (300 grain TSXs at 2,900 fps) -- yup, I am well aware that "so much gun" is not necessary, but what is the point of owning them if you don't use 'em for their intended purpose??????? Anyhow, I was load testing. The shot was 40 yards, and the hog was quatering towards me giving me a split second to shoot. Shot him a little a little farther back than I had wanted (the top photo shows the offside -- and yes, the bullet exited through the guts -- the risk you take when they are quartering to you), but I did lung him and he went only 25 yards before piling up. Didn't locate him till the following morning.   Check out the gristle plate......  "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | ||
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Nice Hog....  You should have used a bigger gun so you could have gotten a blood trail  _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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Congrats on the hog. I'm kinda changing my tune some on the small calibers for hogs. I've lost some lately, and found some that while well hit, left little or no blood trail. I think you're ahead of the game if you can be sure of complete penatration. Having the animal leaking in two places is definetly better than just one, so nothing at all wrong with your .416. Bigger might well be better when it comes to hogs, as I think the fat of the animal tends to clog the wound. I won't get in a pissing match about it as those with more experience than me may have different ideas, but my experiences would suggest that bigger bullets, making bigger holes, might be the way to go. Yes I've had some good results with the 30/30s, 6.5 japs, .270s etc. but I've also had some losses. This is especially true if the area you hunt is thick with vegatation. I wish I still had my Marlin in .45/70, I used to throw 400 gr. bullets at close to 2000 fps with it, and I think it would be a dandy pig load. What kind of sight is that on your .416? | |||
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Larry Matherne, I think that you have a good handel on the situation, 2 holes are definately better than one. My comment to Whitworth was tongue in check, plus the fact that there are no absolutes _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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And there was no blood trail. It's crazy. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Oh well, there goes my bigger is better theory, back to the drawing board. My son-in-law shoots all of his behind the ear, just because blood trails have been so inconsistent. Marko, what kind of sight is that on your rifle? | |||
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Larry, it's an Ultradot 30 red dot. I use it on my handguns. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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I thought is was a red dot sight. I have an ultra dot something or other with an auto intensity adjustment quizzmo on my Steyr Model 95. I tried hunting with it at night only to find out it turns itself off in the dark, course I didn't know that until a hog came out.  Moral of the story, know you're gear. Again congrats on your hog, and may you get many more. | |||
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2 holes and the larger bores are certainly more likely to leave a blood trail, but shoot enough animals and one will observe some strange happenings on occasion _____________________________________________________ A 9mm may expand to a larger diameter, but a 45 ain't going to shrink Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. - Winston Churchill | |||
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That's for sure! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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That's a good one, Whit. Heck of a shield on him, too. I usually shoot hogs with my .308, .30-30, or my .44 mag. But sometimes I lug my CZ .375 H&H just to keep familiar with it. It wallops the piss out of hogs. 300 grain TSX handloads are pure poison! Good Hunting, SFH REMANUS DURUS CORPS! | |||
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A 45-70 and a 480 grain flatnosed cast bullet at 1240 fps is absolute POISON on hogs, and just about anything else, for that matter. Actually, mt 350 grain flatnosed cast bullet at 1270 fps is a deer and hog killing combination out of my 1895 Cowboy Marlin that is hard to equal, let alone beat. Either one of these loads gives complete pass throughs and plenty of blood on the ground. The animal rarely goes as far as 15 yards. If it were me, and hogs were my main hunting interest, I would have a 45-70 Cowboy Marlin if I didn't have any other rifle. It is a perfect combination of light weight, accuracy, and plenty of horsepower. And it holds NINE rounds. | |||
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Thanks! Yup, what is the point of letting it collect dust when it makes a perfectly good hog hammer! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Nice hog. Well done. I am going to try and shoot one with my 470 this weekend. "DRSS" | |||
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Thanks, Tim! Take lots of pictures and we are expecting a full report! Good luck to you! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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no such thing as too much gun! Congrats, nice hog! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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For those of us who have yet to hunt hogs where is that gristle plate located? I have heard so much about it but this is the first photo I have seen of it. I plan to hunt GA next year and may be forced to go during the small game season when I have to use small game weapons. That will mean my .62 flint rifle. Molon Labe New account for Jacobite | |||
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It runs from the front of the shoulder to about half way to the hind leg. Sometimes it goes past half way. "DRSS" | |||
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Is this actual 'gristle' or fat? It looks like great suet to me from the image. NRA Life ASSRA Life DRSS Today's Quote: Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a free cell phone with free monthly minutes, food stamps, section 8 housing, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime. | |||
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It's gristle and it was really hard. "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Gristle plate is cartilage like material...I have seen it range for 1/2 inch to 1 1/2 thick. Very nice pig Marko... My favorite pig gun is my 376 steyr Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Thanks, Mike! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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The plate is VERY dense/hard. Almost like a chunk of wood if you rap on it with your knuckles. I have only been involved with the killing/tracking of about 75 hogs which is not as many as some....just enought info to be dangerous. Almost all of those hogs were killed with bows(SEVERAL of them with traditional gear) and a few with a gun. The averaged 100-115 pound range. There were three in the 225-275# range. My experience is that a boar in the 150# plus range usually have a pretty substantial shield. The ones I have seen were in the 1-1.5" range. The shield did not prevent adequate penatration of any archery gear(almost always fixed blades with the best being fixed blade cut on contact) including traditional bows of 40+ pounds, but did usually stop total penatration. I have shot 3 bigger hogs of 150-250# with a 45-70 and a 7mm-08, and they all had total penatration. In short the shield is not bullet proof with any reasonable gun/bow but does decrease penatration somewhat. The biggest thing in my opinion is that a hog has a SMALLER more forward/lower vital zone than a deer. It is also VERY unreliable and unpeedictable in bloodtrails after the shot! They just do not seem to bleed as well no matter what compared to a deer. ESPECIALLY if they have significant fat to clog the hole. The shield also seems to not bleed at all especially on the entrance hole side. It is almost like a "self sealing" type deer archery target. And yes a hog is a great animal to try your "larger" guns out on! That is a nice hog Whitworth. sorry for gettin a bit long winded and off track thanks 224TTH | |||
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Thank you much! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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Great boar and quite a shield. I like the coloring as well. Re the shield, on several occasions I've killed boars with healed over .22 slugs in the gristle. However, like 224TTH, I found sharp broadheads would slip right through. Way to go with the big boomer  Matt | |||
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Thank you Matt, I apreciate it! "Ignorance you can correct, you can't fix stupid." JWP If stupidity hurt, a lot of people would be walking around screaming. Semper Fidelis "Building Carpal Tunnel one round at a time" | |||
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