We've been using a dogo recently to catch a few hogs. He's young but he's doing well.

How heavy was that pig it looks huge!

Very good but if you want to stay even with your south american friends you must start using a Cimarrón dog

A big brown dog with vertical black stripes just like a tiger and nothing of white, or pink or any other sissy colour

I find this pic in yahoo-images


L

308 - it was a sow that weighed about 240 lbs.

Lorenzo - tell me a little about this Cimarron dog. Is it similar to a dingo or a carolina dog that we have here in the states?

I found some info...

Gonzalo Argote de Molina in his book "Libro de la Monteria" published at Sevilla (Spain) in 1582, give us the first notice about the Cimarron dog. Later in February 27 of 1627, Juan Bautista, Mayor of Buenos Aires, during the corresponding sesion of the "Cabildo" said: "Near to this port there are many wild Cimarron dogs, They are dangerous for the cattle and for the sheeps, is my order that from every farm I can use an Indian or black from the house' service to kill those dogs".

Dogs continue growing in wild herds, and during the 17, 18 and 19 centurys the dog was almost exterminated, only a few survived and look for refuge in the most wild places at the border of Uruguay and Brazil.

Only a few farmers rescue some specimens, and keep the breed pure, the actual Cimarron dog is a pure race developed by "natural selection", not by the genetical manipulation of the humans.

In 1995 our place "Refugio the Cimarrones" (Cimarrones' Shelter), looked around all over the country for the best specimens and now we are proud to say that we have the best Cimarrones' breeding place of the country, with a permanent stock of specimens of the best quality.

BEHAVIOR

Cimarron dogs are very noble, they are always looking at the master of the house, they are very loving but only with the owners, they do not trust in strange people, this makes this dog ideal for survelliance and defence of the house. They are very loyal dogs, accepting only one owner during his life time and are specially good with children and old people. They are also dogs of big power, used for the control of cattle herds, one can knock down an adult bull, when he decides to attack, is strong, always leaving the fight as a winner, for that our independence hero Jose Gervasio Artigas said: "When I run out of soldiers, I'll keep fighting with Cimarrones". They are very good swimmers and do not change hair during the year. Since 1999 the Uruguay police is replacing the German Shepherd with the Cimarrones from our shelter due to the special characteristics of the breed.

L

Excellent dogo ,it remembers me my PAIMUN who died in a figth with LANHUEL of a heart stroke ,for me is real nice to see my loved dogos hunting in USA ,do you know that the dogos are used as war dogs here by our marine infantry ,several days ago two armed men intrcepted a dogo wner when he was going into his home with his family the dogo without being trained attacked the crminals destroying one the other put 3 9mms shots in his head he surivived ande his very good now ,hes the local hero and in all the tv shows and local newspapers .Congratulations for your dogo and in USA is a club of dogo owners join it .Juan

The Cimarrones are nice dogs but to compare them with the Dogos is talking a little tooooooooooo much of them

Rattlesnaker, here is a link where you can read something about the cimarron http://www.perrosdeluruguay.com/CIMARRONURUGUAYO.htm if you cannot understand spanish, let me know and I will translate it for you - but let me warn you that this article was written by the uruguayans themselves !!!

About their "sissy" white color, Peter H. Capstick himself referred to them as "the white angels of death" just after witnessed a very emotive boar hunt where a dogo named Day of Trevelin saved its owner´s life - Amadeo Biló - loosing its own as a result of this action ...

This white color was a must the creators of the Dogos looked after on their persuit of this dog´s standards...

Motives? to allow some kind of identification of a extremely courageous dog that barely barks when fighting - thus being visually the only way of locating these dogs when they pursue their preys... not to forget the needness of a rather easily identification of them when they engage the fight - thou they will quickly "camouflage" themselves with mud and blood, many times their own )

The problem with the white color is the skin problems these dogs have. I'd love to find a darker colored dogo but they are few and far between from what I've heard.

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Originally posted by Rattlesnaker:
The problem with the white color is the skin problems these dogs have. I'd love to find a darker colored dogo but they are few and far between from what I've heard.

If it's not white it is not a Dogo. I do not think the breed standard permits other colors, although some spots may be allowed. They were bred white to make them easier to see in the dark and differentiate from their prey. It does increase the risk of deafness and skin problems.

I agree. I'm talking about the ones with light spots and I've heard there are a few of those out there and they have fewer skin problems.

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Originally posted by Rattlesnaker:
I agree. I'm talking about the ones with light spots and I've heard there are a few of those out there and they have fewer skin problems.

Good luck with the search. It seems I have seen a few on the 'Net, but I cannot recall where just now.

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Originally posted by Rattlesnaker:
The problem with the white color is the skin problems these dogs have. I'd love to find a darker colored dogo but they are few and far between from what I've heard.

Nice picture !!
tell us more about this hunt, Rattlesnaker

Unfortunately is not uncommon to see some dogos with recessive characters that would resemble any of the many other breeds that were used to create the dogo ... some would be just harmless like having some spots (resembling the pointer) and sometimes would be much worse, resulting for example in a deaf dog (a resemblance of the Cordobes fighting dog, the root from where the creators of the dogos started their search that ended in what turned out to be the Dogo Argentino)

In fact some years ago I had an extremely representative specimen of this breed, with one of the best heads I have ever seen in any Dogo - that had a black spot that covered all the right side of his face, giving him a sort of "pirate" looking ... never hunted with him, but he fighted every dog in the neighborhood who didn´t accepted his leadership (which caused me no few problems with my neighbours !) ... but the point is that he indeed had that fire in his character we all admire in a predator - and that every hunting dog should have, IMHO - thou strictly he wasn´t a pure dogo (out from this dog´s standards, even thou genetically he descended from pure ones, some of them even award winners ....)

I am not sure if the spots would help on the skin problems that some might have .... but I know that some "dogueros" (breeders) inject chinese ink into their dogs - subcutaneous, just between the muscle and the skin.... supposedly to give the dog some protection against the heavy sun

Good luck on your search and keep us posted about its results !

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Originally posted by juanpozzi:
several days ago two armed men intrcepted a dogo wner when he was going into his home with his family the dogo without being trained attacked the crminals destroying one the other put 3 9mms shots in his head he surivived ande his very good now

Hope I never tangle with a dog like that!

Afrikaander - there was no real exciting story but here goes.

We pulled up to the edge of a peanut field at about 4am and turned about 4 dogs out, anticipating that they'd find something out in the field because the hogs had been working it hard.

They found this boar fairly quickly because I heard a couple of dogs barking off in the brush on the edge of the field. Pretty soon all four dogs were hammering down on this boar and I figured it was a good one because of how they were barking. I drove the truck up as close to the bayed dogs as I could and then turned the dogo out and followed in on foot. The barking only moderated slightly and I wondered what happened as I was heading toward the hog because I never really heard the hog squeal. I tried making my way through the thick brush but found in impenetrable where the hog was bayed up. I finally made my way in through another area and found the dogo caught on one ear and another dog caught on another. I jumped in and legged the hog and struggled in the mud to stab him. I finally got him stuck and he went down.

Good enough, Rattlesnaker !
Thanks

Excellent photo ,the only stains that are permitted are skin stains the hair stains are not permitted ,the white color is to indentificate them during MONTERIAS and i can tell you that my dogos were all killed by clients if were dark ,the dogos have some skin problems due to the color thats a problem but they have a fur almost impenetrable ,deafness is a ghost the appears in some pupies this dog must be sterelisezed .I like you dont cut anymore the ears ,but purists dont like it ,i based that i my experience and another hunters experience ,rattlesnaker you know that you are invited to hunt here free with AFRIKANDER AND ME Juan

Juan - one of these days I will make it down there to hunt with you and your dogos

You only need to buy a fly ticket we will visit dogo breeders.I hope Afrikaander post photos of the knives YARARA is making very nice and strong dagas and pig stickers .Juan

Hey Juan !!
Sorry for my absence, I am just returning from La Pampa where I went to visit an old friend of mine, Mr Sus Scrofa

Not big tuskers, but plenty of meat was the result of this brief trip I made ....

Congrats Martin!. Tell us more about your hunt, i.e. place, game, weather, and pictures of course. By the way, do you know something about Billy in the wild?.I am waiting news about his incoming visit.

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Congrats Martin!. Tell us more about your hunt, i.e. place, game, weather, and pictures of course. By the way, do you know something about Billy in the wild?.I am waiting news about his incoming visit.

Ricardo. I just sent you an email and a private posting. Hope to see you next week in Buenos Aires....

Billy: I´ve answered both e mails. Hope to meet you soon.
Regards

Ricardo you dont have more excuses please come to visit me we can shoot a bit near the lagoon eat asdados and drink good cabernets came a couple of days my friend.Juan

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Originally posted by juanpozzi:
Ricardo you dont have more excuses please come to visit me we can shoot a bit near the lagoon eat asdados and drink good cabernets came a couple of days my friend.Juan

Maybe I should convince Ricardo to come with me......

At least Bill killed his boar with knife wait for listen the history .Juan