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I just got a new scope from Doug and mounted it on one of my very favorite rifles. It's a Swarovski 1.5-6 PH SR (Rail Mount), I got it for a pretty awesome bargain IMHO. I kinda don't want to mention the price because I might buy a couple more before he sells out! Anyway one of my Favorite rifles is my Camo'd Steyr Scout in 308. I realize a lot of people will say that the scope is too big for the rifle but the rifle is super accurate and deserves a really good optic. My only complaints before have been wanting better glass on it. Here's a pic:  Anyway I think the rail mount is perfect for the Scout rifle, though I need to find QD levers for the bases. I can't wait to go shoot the combo tommorrow! Thanks for a great deal Doug! Oh and I used a camera lens I bought from Joel for the Pic! I may have to start a payroll deduction plan for Cameraland!................................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | ||
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DJ, I know what you mean. Those "new but out of production" PH models are pretty irresistible! Aren't the rail mounts just the cleanest way of mounting a scope??  - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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What base do you need for a rail mount? | |||
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It depends what mount you want to use, and what gun you want the scope to go on. Here are a few examples: Swaro sells rail adapters at least for Weaver and Ruger integral bases. I believe DJ has used the Swaro adapter for a Weaver base?? Blaser sells Swaro (and Zeiss) rail mounts for their guns (R93, K95 etc). No separate base. EAW sells pivot mounts using the EAW bases - pretty much available for any rifle you can think of. I'm sure there are others, although the rail mounting systems are a lot more popular in Europe, so US made mounts may be harder to come by? - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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My Scout uses the Weaver/Picatinny Base/Adaptors (whatever you want to call them). I think here in the US Swaro also has available adaptors for Ruger and Sako systems. I imagine we could get the EAW and Blaser mounts as well. But over here I'd think 9 times out of 10 the Weaver/Picatinny style would be the easiest to go with.......................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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As a new to me Steyr Scout .308 owner I have had a large time discovering the capabilities of this neat little rifle. With the forward mounted scope this rifle is constrained quite a bit from it's true potential. It is accurate far beyond the limits of the scout scope setup. I think I am in agreement with djpaintles that the learning curve to make the switch from conventional to forward mounted is not what I want to do. That being said my Scout is now wearing a 30+ year old 2 X 7 Leupold mounted over the receiver and has increased the ease of 200yrd and beyond capabilities at least 2 fold with out giving up the snap shot requirement. | |||
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DJ, Looks nice. Glad we could make your setup the way you always wanted. Call our accounting dept to set up that payroll deduction,  I'm sure they can figure it out for you.Looks like Joel sent you something good too as the image is slamin' sharp down to the blades of grass. | |||
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that is the best looking rail set up I have ever seen. I like how low it sits on the rifle. I am curious about your impression on the reliability of the rail mount as opposed to the traditional mounting systems. I have never used the rail system but understand they are very rigid and reliable. Congrats! ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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I have only used "internal" rail mounts as they come on Zeiss scopes (and of late, the copies Swaro and S&B made of the Zeiss system) on calibers up until .375 H&H. So I can't say anything about calibers larger than that. But up until a .375 H&H, I have not had any problems with the mounts sliding or in other ways not holding up. The Swaro version of the internal rail mounts adds "teeth" (i.e. additional friction) to the original Zeiss system, so I expect the Swaro system to be fully equivalent - if not even more impervious to recoil. - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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We'll see how well they hold up under recoil. The bases don't have square shoulders that fit into the picatinny slots like some of the better rings do, they just use the shaft of the screw. I'd rather they had a square shoulder. I also wish that they had levers. You can use a coin to take them off but levers would be quicker (especially if you're broke  ).I sighted in, shot a few groups and noticed that my zero started to wonder a bit. Turned out that the base screws had loosened up. I locktited them back down and hopefully I won't have any more issues. Still like the scope and bases a lot, I'll probably buy a couple more but I can think of a couple ways they could be even better............................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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DJ, strictly speaking aren't the adapters for Weaver bases?? I have never used Picatinny bases, but if memory serves, Picatinny bases require an angled crossbolt vs a round for Weaver?? - mike ********************* The rifle is a noble weapon... It entices its bearer into primeval forests, into mountains and deserts untenanted by man. - Horace Kephart | |||
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Mike, Strictly speaking Weaver, Picatinny or more properly MIL-1911-STD bases are a little different but in practice they aren't. I don't care for Weaver brand name aluminum bases though their steel ones are pretty good. The old aluminum style is probably what you are thinking about and the newer steel ones are closer to the MIL-1911-STD type. Most rings will work with either. I just prefer the positive stop of a square edge vs a rounded one which under recoil will tend to drive the ring or adapter slightly up under recoil. I'm hoping that our weather stays nice long enough for me to see if my Loctite job will keep the rings tightened up better........................DJ ....Remember that this is all supposed to be for fun!.................. | |||
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dj, when mounting scope bases of any sort, and I have mounted many over the years, I have always use Araldite epoxy glue on the bases and the screws. I don't use Loctite. Araldite can always be removed with a little heat, not enough to damage the blueing, and holds like hell. The bases should be glued and not just the mounting screws. Do it once and do it right. | |||
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