This may be old news to some but I just ran across it while looking at scopes for my 722 222.

Got the 4-12x44 with varmint reticle down to 180 buck and shipping is free too !

Back yet again Larry? Why??

It simply boggles the mind why Lawrence Root (pigmaster/bumfarto/4barexpert/silverbullet/ 45-70shooter/artshaw, etc, ect...) feels compelled to continually circumvent the wishes of the Moderators, Admin. and/or Owner for him to be gone from a web sight where he is neither welcomed nor wanted.

Rather pathetic.

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Originally posted by Moderator GeorgeS:
bumfarto/4barexpert/silverbullet45/artshaw/45-70 shooter,


Why do you keep registering here? You've been removed repeatedly.

Take the hint - you are not welcome here.

George

Redfield arrived and it is an outstanding value. While it is a SFP scope with no AO, the resolution and color clarity are execellent. Mine has the Varmint reticle, which while a bit complex will provide ranging capability as well as holdover data to 600 yards. Too slow and complex for big game but should be just great for P-dogs and like varmints.

Rather than the 222 722B, I put it on a 244 722AC. The AC is a rather obscure version of the 721/2 family that provided swivels and checkering but usually "A" grade (plain) wood. This rifle, as well as being a high condition gun, has wood that is almost worthy of a "B" grade.

The $40.00 rebate combined with the great Leupold guarantee, low profile and clever reticle make it worth a close look.

They are made in hunting, crossbow, varmint and muzzle loader versions in various variable versions.

A special thanks to all the nice folks who helped me out in finding genuine new 244 vintage brass as well as a bunch of loaded 6mm Remington ammunition all at very fair prices.

Thank you Gentlemen !

As I learned from past experience, one of the main reasons why moderators do not want some people here is because even though they have good things to say about relevant topics other people continuously keep irking and prodding and attempting to start something so that other people then get involved until finally an avalanche of people get involved and the moderators have to finally do something.

FOsteology, why not give it a break. Seems like you are the only one that keeps complaining about him for no other reason than to complain about him.

Nice 722!!!!!

Thanks for your observation.

While we all enjoy the frank exchange of information and viewpoints on this site, it is necessary to just ignore some provocative comments that are intended to incite the free for all you alluded to.

The topic is the rebate on the new Redfield Revenge scopes. Anything else is just irrelevant and will be filed in the waste can.

One aside, I did need to remove the rear sight elevator (and store it away) to get the right combination of eye relief and clearance. Given the low comb of the 722, I didn't want to use higher rings.

Do you think the el cheapo scope gains credulity from being put on the 722?

The scope speaks for itself.

I can only assume you have:

-never seen the scope
-never read any reviews on the "new" Redfields
-are a scope snob, that can't believe a mid priced scope can be any good
-are just trying to stir the pot, rather than having any genuine curiosity or wishing to discuss the product in an adult manner.

As far as "el cheapo" goes, back in the day, the 722 was an "el cheapo" rifle, sort of like the Savage, Mossberg and Marlin bolt guns of today and we all know what junk they are ...... right ? (chuckle)

By the way, the word you were grasping for is credibility.

Betcha a "roo" steak dinner that I have owned and own far more scopes than you, encompassing virtually every brand in production as well as many classics like El Paso Weavers, Unertls, Stiths, Bausch & Lomb and Pecar.

You probably don't know what President Lincoln said about keeping silent ........

Yes, Pigmaster, I have seen the Revenge scopes and am not overly impressed.

I have read reviews on them but, having worked on a hunting magazine once, know something about how that game goes.

No, not a scope snob. I'm very happy with the humble Leupold VX-1 bought recently and actually like it better than the VX-R. That said, I think the whole scope industry has lost its way and I'd prefer the old Nickel, Zeiss, Pecar and Kahles reticle-movement models to anything I've seen lately.

Yes, I understand the 722 was the fore-runner of the 700 ADL, but it was still a good American product, respected in its time and doubtless collectable now.

Quite right, credibility is the word I should have used. Credulity is what conmen hope their victims will have.

Since you seem to be in the trade, I'm sure you have owned more scopes than I have. The few I've had have been so reliable I haven't the felt need to replace them. You might like 'roo meat but I'm afraid it doesn't do much for me.

In regard to keeping silent, I'm beginning to understand why some around here wish you would try it.

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Originally posted by silvertip1:
As I learned from past experience, one of the main reasons why moderators do not want some people here is because even though they have good things to say about relevant topics other people continuously keep irking and prodding and attempting to start something so that other people then get involved until finally an avalanche of people get involved and the moderators have to finally do something.

FOsteology, why not give it a break. Seems like you are the only one that keeps complaining about him for no other reason than to complain about him.

Nice 722!!!!!

Kevin/22WRF,

We know it's you. Be gone!

George

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Originally posted by pigmaster:
Thanks for your observation.

While we all enjoy the frank exchange of information and viewpoints on this site, it is necessary to just ignore some provocative comments that are intended to incite the free for all you alluded to.

The topic is the rebate on the new Redfield Revenge scopes. Anything else is just irrelevant and will be filed in the waste can.

One aside, I did need to remove the rear sight elevator (and store it away) to get the right combination of eye relief and clearance. Given the low comb of the 722, I didn't want to use higher rings.

Larry/pigmaster,

Be gone! And take your buddy Kevin Kolosky with you.

George

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sambarman338

While I agree with you on the classic scopes you cited, may I respectfully suggest you purchese a Revenge with the same specs as you VX 1 and put them side by side viewing the standard charts for scope evaluation.
(grid chart, color rendition, shadow discernment, sharpness evaluation) You might be surprised.

The only VX 1 I own is a fine scope but only has friction adjustments that need to be "shot in" (as have the dozen or so Leupold friction adjustment scopes passing through my hands in the last few years) unlike the Revenge's 1/4" clicks that perfectly shoot the square.

In my evaluation: its advantages of 1/4" clicks, Euro fast focus and the rangefinding reticle give it the blue ribbon.

Neither it or its VX 1 twin have an AO so you can give SWFA $320 for the Leupold (with a less sophisticated ranging reticle) or $180 (with rebate) for the Redfield.

Neither will match up with my Schmidt and Bender 4-14x50 or my IOR 4-28x56 but, then again those cost more than 10 times as much.

For a 250 yard 244, I'm sure it will do just fine.

Pigmaster, the only Revenge I have looked at was a 2-7. Though the fast focus aped the Continental look, it was bulky and resulted in massive tunnel vision - very un-European. The Revolution and its less-knurled twin, the VX-1, on the other hand have a reasonably fine black line between the inner and outer field - better than the VX-R I've looked at.

For fast-moving targets at close range, target acquisition and toughness are everything IMHO, much more important than absolute clarity.