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Do I really need a "rimfire" scope for a .22?
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I was looking at buying this 2x7 33mm scope for my Marlin 336 lever: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=572950

But, if I'd ever want to upgrade and put that scope on a .22mag or .17HMR, would there be a problem with that?

Any help is appreciated!
 
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That would be a sweet scope on a .22. The only problem you might have would be the paralex is set for c'fire distance (150 yards is normal).
I don't have rimfire scopes on any of my .22's. I use adjustable objective varmint scopes.


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Potential arallax error when shooting at, say, 40 yards with a scope with a 150 yard parallax setting is not all that great. Actual parallax error is dependent on the consistency of your eye placement in the sight window. If you put your eye the same place from shot to shot, then your parallax error is zero. A stock that fits you well (and a scope mounted low so that you have firm and consistent cheek contact with the stock) will reduce parallax error to essentially none. Unless you are wanting to wring the last .01" out of 50 yard benchrest groups with your .22, a scope set to be parallax free at the typical 150 yards works just fine.
 
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I think he may be referring to the reverse recoil of rimfire rounds. I have heard stories of them breaking regular scopes. That being said I have a $50 simmons on a 10/22 with 1000 rounds through it and no problems. I know other people who have them on rimfires with no problems as well. I would say that you would be fine, other than the parallax as mentioned.


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Originally posted by Neverflinch:
I think he may be referring to the reverse recoil of rimfire rounds. I have heard stories of them breaking regular scopes. That being said I have a $50 simmons on a 10/22 with 1000 rounds through it and no problems. I know other people who have them on rimfires with no problems as well. I would say that you would be fine, other than the parallax as mentioned.


Air guns can and will break scopes, but I am unaware of a .22 ever doing that. “Reverse recoilâ€...never heard of that one.
 
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I suppose that with a blowback .22 auto you might have a phenomenon that slightly mimicks the aft-fore-aft accelleration of an air gun, but the effect would be miniscule, so I doubt that there has ever been a scope failure due to recoil -- in either direction -- with a .22 rimfire. On the other hand, the relatively huge force of an air gun's heavy springloaded air piston driving forward and suddenly stopping, thus causing very rapidly changing accelleration forces, can be the death of scopes with weakly mounted lenses, erectors, or reticles.
 
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How would the "reverse recoil" be any worse on a semi-automatic 22 rimfire than an AR-15? I've never heard of an AR eating scopes.


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If you're worried about the parallax, you can either send it to Leupold and they'll set it for whatever distance you specify (and charge you) or you can go to this site and do it yourself:

http://www.charm.net/~kmarsh/adjust.html

I adjusted my Leupold 2X7 when I put it on my Model 77-22 and it was quick and simple.


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The "reverse recoil" is from the spring in air rifles - not .22s.

22 Rimfire scopes are usually set to be parallax free at 50-70 yards. On my ULA .22 Rimfire, I have a 4.5-14X40 Leupold Vari-XIII. It has an adjustable objective, and the parallax can be set as close as 20 yards. Great glass. Takes care of the problem. :Smiler
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The "reverse recoil" is from the spring in air rifles - not .22s.


Yea that must have been what I was thinking of. I could have sworn that I read somewhere that rimfires were harder on scopes than regular centerfire rifles. Guess I was wrong. homer


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Neverflinch,

I thought I'd read the same thing. Not necessarily that there was more recoil with the rimfire but that it was different and needed to be compensated for differently in the scope construction. Might have just been the air-rifle issue mentioned.

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Worked regularly with spring air guns. They would literally eat some of the top scopes due to the "reverse recoil" of the pistons. This effect of being pushed one way, then the other can be demonstrated by taking a thin sheet of metal and bending one way, then the other. Shortly, it will break...much faster than when bent one way then straight again.
Also, many scopes are built strongly for rearward recoil, but not for any jerking forward.


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I use a bushnell 3200 3x9x40 on my 10/22 and it does a fine job.I have had air rifles destroy a couple of simmons and tasco scopes in the past.Rimfires are very easy on scopes as I have put in excess of 10,000 rounds through a 22 with a very cheap scope mounted.
 
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I regularly use centerfire type scopes on rimfires as the quality is usually considerably better. As already stated above, if the parallax is a bother, you might send it to Leupold for an adjustment; OR if you're not afraid of messing with things, parallax CAN be adjusted by the individual. I've done it many many times, and it's very simple to do. On scopes like the Leupold, there is a "locking ring" on the very front end, which is pretty tight, that locks the lens adjustments on the objective end. Loosen that ring, and carefully turn the objective lens assembly counterclockwise a small increment while repeatedly looking through the scope until the parallax is zero at the desired range; tighten the locking ring back up, done. I've done this on Tasco, Bushnell, Burris and Leupold scopes, without a hint of a problem. ANY quality centerfire scope with a fixed objective can be adjusted for parallax; some few scopes are made without the locking ring on the end, they'll have a threaded collar with slots to unlock the objective lens assembly, those can be difficult for the end user to adjust. I'd love to put a Leupold Ultralight VXII 2-7x 28mm scope on my Kimber 82, if I were to buy it, I'd promptly adjust it parallax free at 50 yards and be very well satisfied.
 
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Phil Nesmith:

Thanks for that information! I just tried it with an old 4x Bushnell centerfire. The scope was just going to gather dust but with parallax adjustment it will be fine on a 22.
 
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Originally posted by Phil_Nesmith:
I regularly use centerfire type scopes on rimfires as the quality is usually considerably better. As already stated above, if the parallax is a bother, you might send it to Leupold for an adjustment; OR if you're not afraid of messing with things, parallax CAN be adjusted by the individual. I've done it many many times, and it's very simple to do. On scopes like the Leupold, there is a "locking ring" on the very front end, which is pretty tight, that locks the lens adjustments on the objective end. Loosen that ring, and carefully turn the objective lens assembly counterclockwise a small increment while repeatedly looking through the scope until the parallax is zero at the desired range; tighten the locking ring back up, done. I've done this on Tasco, Bushnell, Burris and Leupold scopes, without a hint of a problem. ANY quality centerfire scope with a fixed objective can be adjusted for parallax; some few scopes are made without the locking ring on the end, they'll have a threaded collar with slots to unlock the objective lens assembly, those can be difficult for the end user to adjust. I'd love to put a Leupold Ultralight VXII 2-7x 28mm scope on my Kimber 82, if I were to buy it, I'd promptly adjust it parallax free at 50 yards and be very well satisfied.


My 10x Unertl Tactical scope has an objective ring with the slots to loosen the assembly for adjusting parallax and it comes with an aluminum spanner plate that fits the slots. It would be really simple to make one of these plates to fit any sized objective bell that had slots instead of a locking ring.
 
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