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or more accurately, a scope of it's own. My wife gave me a new Remington 700 Classic in .25-06 for Christmas '90 in May '91 when I returned from the first Gulf War. I first put a spare Weaver V9 on it for a couple years and have borrowed Leupold VX-IIs and IIIs from my other rifles several times. I put my old Weaver T-24 on it when shooting groundhogs, rockchucks, and targets. It is super accurate and needs a first rate scope. This rifle will be used for primarily for whitetails, with mulies, antelope, groundhogs, rockchucks and the occasional coyote and feral dog. Ranges could be from point blank to well over 500 yards. Price is a consideration, but not the determining factor, nor is "low light gathering". More important are reliability, dependability, low mounting height(medium rings at most, low would be better), bright, clear optics, a wide field of view at low power settings, and non-critical eye relief. I would like some kind of aiming reference point on the lower vertical stadia. I can live with AO if it won't move inadvertently. I'm leaning toward a 3 or 4 to 12 or a 4 to 16 power. I like Leupolds. I have three each VX-IIs and VX-III 3-9s. I like their LR reticle and love their customer service. I don't like the narrow field of view on the their 4-12s or 4.5-16s. I'm also not sure of their AO staying in place. The Nikon Monarch 3-12x42 has a great field of view and decent enough optics. I like that the AO locks in place. However, after examining one I don't know about the BDC reticle. It looks pretty cluttered, and how would it match a 100 grain NBT at 3,525? How precise could those rather large circles be at extreme range? I don't know much about the Sightron SII Big Sky 3-12x42. I was impressed by my buddies' 3-9 and I like the Hunter Holdover Reticle but haven't seen a 3-12 in person. It doesn't have AO. Does it need it? I like the Ziess Conquest except for the fairly narrow field of view on their 4-12x44. And is it any better for my purpose than any of the others for nearly twice the price of the Nikon? I'm leaning toward the Sightron Big Sky II 3-12x42 with the HHR or the Nikon Monarch 3-12x42 with the plex reticle. Whadda ya say? My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | ||
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I like the Conquest 3.5x10x44. I have them on my .25-06, .338, and .270. I also have 3x9x40 and 2.5x8 versions of the Conquest on other rifles. | |||
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For a 25-06 I guess I would only consider two scopes. That being either of the new Leupold VX3 scopes of either 3.5X10 or the 4.5X14 LR. Either one would have the Boone and Crockett reticle in it. I owned two 3.5X10 Leupold VariX-III scopes that had the B&C reticle and thought they were the best thing ever made. They were small, lightweight, and had no AO to mess with. I checked those B&C reticles and they were spot on when shot at a measured 400 yard gong. However, after looking at my dad's 4.5X14X40 LR scopes, I had to move up in magnification. These are 30mm scopes which I thought I would never want. However, they are so much stouter that I now have 5 of them. I put them in Leupold dual dovetail mounts and feel I have a very strong, secure system. In August I saw my dad shoot an antelope using a 257 Wby Mag with a 4.5X14 LR scope at a measured 586 yards. One shot, on the ground, I do not think that buck ever kicked. I am sold on the Boone and Crockett reticle, it is not "busy" and it really works. I have shot any number of big game animals with this reticle on a dead run (not using the B&C reticle, of course) and they worked well for me. R Flowers | |||
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I just replaced the VX-III 3.5-10x40 on my Remington 700 in 260 Rem with a Conquest 3-9x50. Rifle to be used this month on antelope. The same Talley lightweight one piece mounts fit both scopes. The #20 (Z-Plex) reticle works great for me, and overall the Conquest is a huge improvement. | |||
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3-12 XTR Burris http://www.burrisoptics.com/xtrtactical1.html#3x12x 4-14 Mark 4 Leupold http://www.leupold.com/tactica...-ert-m1-front-focal/ DuggaBoye-O NRA-Life Whittington-Life TSRA-Life DRSS DSC HSC SCI | |||
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Take a look at the Swarovski Z3 line: http://www.titanium-gunworks.c...ohre/z5z3/index.html or if You could afford, the Z6i edition - maybe with Ballistic Turrent on top... I love them and they are indeed the best optics on the market... Don´t be shoked by their prices... (they contain here 19% German VAT, which is not payable by foreign costumers) | |||
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Save your money re the Leupold, you're getting better suggestion than that. | |||
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I looked at their 4.5-14x44 at Bass Pro for a couple hours yesterday. I like it and I like the Rapid Z-800. I like the Rapid Z-600 even better, but it's not available on that model. Maybe. My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | |||
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Nothing wrong with a Leupold, as I said I have several, and I've shot a .257 Weatherby with the 4.5-14 LR. I do like the B&C reticle, but I like their LR reticle better. Maybe. My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | |||
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Did you notice how much that Burris weighs? For the price of that Mark 4 I could buy a scope and a new rifle. My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | |||
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I haven't been able to locate a Z3 around here. Plus, the same as the Leupold M4, I could buy a scope and another rifle for that price. As for the Z6, now we're getting into Nightforce price range. My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | |||
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My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | |||
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Compare a Z6i and a Nightforce side by side at night and for me no doubt: You will forget about the Nightforce very fast... Especially if You take one of the "High magnifition" Z6´s with their HD lenses... | |||
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Saturday I went to Cabelas in KC and took a look at the Leica 3-12 then took the wife to the casinos Saturday night. Sunday, on the way to my buddies with the Sightron scope, I had already made up my mind to order a Leica. Davie had the 3-12 SII Big Sky HHR mounted on a Rem 700 .22-250 and he also had a Leupold 4.5-14 LR w/custom reticles on a Rem 700 .25-06 so I was able to compare them side by side. Both rifles have varmint contour 26" Lilja barrels and are extremely accurate. I fired both guns at his 1,000 yard range and shot a 1/2" group at 300 yards with the .22-250 using 50 grain Nosler BTs and a 4" group with the .25-06 at 600 yards using Berger VLDs. I think he said they were 115 grain. That was a lot of fun. The Sightron appeared quite a lot brighter and had better resolution than the Leupold. At 200 yards I could see the .22 bullet holes in the target with the Sightron on 12X but couldn't make them out with the Leupold at 12X or even 14X. The Sightron also had a much wider field of view at the lowest power setting and it was still somewhat wider when set to 4.5X. I also had a chance to look at a good sized buck near dark. We were sitting on his deck visiting and sipping on some Crown Royal when a deer walked into his alfalfa field at about 450 yards. He got both rifles back out of the vault and with the Leupold I could tell it was a buck as I could barely make out antlers. I switched to the Sightron and could clearly count 10 tines. I really liked the Leica best but today I changed my mind and ordered the Sightron for my .25-06 along with a Bushnell Elite 3200 Short Action Compact 2-7 and a Stevens 200 in 7mm-08 to mount it on plus a Rifle Basix trigger for my wife. Altogether the price was a little over $200 less than the Leica alone. I'll try to make a full feild report on both scopes and the new rifle after deer season. My dad told me once that if you're gonna kill a rattler with a chainsaw, use the top of the bar. | |||
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