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Dear guys, I'm planing to buy a new scope for my 7mm Rem Mag. I know that Leupold VX-7 or Zeiss Dialyt or Swarovski Z6 are Top quality scopes, but unfortunately to expensive for me. So I take a look at scopes that give good quality at reasonable price. My attencion was caught by these three scopes: Leupold VX-3 LR 4.5-14x 50 Bushnell Elite 6500 2.5-16x 50 Burris Black Diamond 4-16x 50 All this have similar characteristics and price, but what I can see on web pages is as clear and limpid imagines! To shoot at lond distance I need a good quality scope. Someone has already tried the scopes in question?? Thanks Faina I prefer to die standing that to live in knee | ||
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I have used the Bushnell and Burris (at lower magnifications)as well as Zeiss and Swaro. No experience w/Leupold. A 3x9 or 2.5 x10 is all you need out to 400 meters if you are shooting big game. Roe deer/small game is different, but I don't think you are shooting small game at 400 meters. I was in the Italian Alps recently. Big mountians. I don't think you want the extra weight of a big scope climbing up and down that steep terrain. Just my opinion. | |||
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I concur with Interested's observations on the need for magnification. Regardless, the Bushnell and Nikon have good optics, but as an optical gunsight, Leupold is way ahead of them. In terms of weight, bulk, eye placement, moisture sealing, recoild resistance, concentric power camming, etc., Leupold builds rifle scopes, not cameras. You will find the qualities of the Leupold superior for field use. | |||
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Dear guys, is true that in most situations I'll need nothing more that 10x, but it is equally true that can happen situations where having a bit more magnification are useful. As example when the animal is lying down or partly covered. In this case your shot must be absolutely precise and having some more magnification will help you. There are sure a bit weight diference between a 3.5-10x 40 and a 4.5-14x 50... every oz less made my mtn walk lighter, but you know, when you look for a whole year "your" game... "your" old chamois... Then you sure want to have the right equipment that permit you to have a succesful hunt. The point now is to understand wich scope is the better. Faina I prefer to die standing that to live in knee | |||
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My comments apply equally no matter what the magnification range. If I want to buy a camera, I'll look for a Nikon, not a Leupold. If I want to buy a riflescope, I'll look for a Leupold, not a Nikon. If I want to buy a toy, I'll look for a Mattel, but a Bushnell will do. | |||
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I have a Leupold vx-3, 4.5-14x40, currently it's on a .243, but was originally on a .30-8mm mag. I think that the 50mm objective lense scopes have to be mounted too high. I'm very pleased with the one that I have. velocity is like a new car, always losing value. BC is like diamonds, holding value forever. | |||
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I'll throw in a vote for the Burris. Made in the USA! I'd rather have a Burris than a Leupold. I don't think you can beat the Black Diamond line. I have a 4X16X50 BD and a 6X24X50 BD and love em both. The only thing I really wish they would change is the whole eyepiece turning when changing power. It is easier to turn and grip but if you have Butler Creek covers on the button can get in the way of the bolt. I have used both for 1000yd shooting and have no complaints. A buddy of mine used to purchase only Leupold but after using my Burris' he has ordered several Black Diamonds. Most people that look through both at the same time will say the Burris is brighter and sharper when comparing the VX-3 and the Black Diamond. If using the scopes on the same power. God Bless, Louis | |||
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I have used the Burris and own several of the Leupolds. not a big fan of Burris or oversized objectives. I can see no advantage to the larger objective. You get a bit clearer image for the first 3 minutes of legal shooting. The cost, high cheek weld, and weight are not worth it. That said I love love the VX3 long range scopes. Leupold's customer support is second to none as well. | |||
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Thanks guys for your reply. In the last days I also see Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14x 44 and I wonder that this have the same price like the other 3 in question... Faina I prefer to die standing that to live in knee | |||
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Years ago I bought a used rifle with a Bushnell scope missing the adjustment covers. Simple thing---ALMOST. Contacted Bushnell and they sent me a sheet to fill out on the scope--everything possible about the scope provided except maybe a DNA sample. Serial number, country of origin etc. Wrong covers sent--returned at my expense. I might add those folks are mighty proud of their plastic adjustment covers. The covers are no longer available---my lucky day they found a set of used ones that would work. They didnt have to tell me they were used it was most obvious. I had paid full price for new ones and no partial refund offered and my complain received no satisfaction--I was lucky they could provide the used ones. On this board someone said contact a Bushnell customer service rep named Leslie (male/female?) I did and Leslie said send them the scope. In meantime the power adjustment bound up. Scope sent directly to Leslie and returned with brand new adjustment caps and I'm pretty sure Arnold Calif gov could have moved the power adjustment, the first week or two but the "fix" didnt last--it bound solid. Back to Leslie at my expense. Returned and again Arnold could probably move it. That scope now adorns someone elses gun and I sure hope they are happy---I sure am. I have no experience with Burris but everything I hear about them is good. I am very pleased with all my Leupolds and their customer service exact opposite of Bushnell. I bought a used scope off EBAY that was not nearly as described appearance wise and it had operation issues. I sent it to Leupold for repair. They called and told me they could repair it but if I wanted to upgrade it cosmetically they could offer special price on new scope. I told them the scope I really wanted was their compact 3x-9x with EFR (extended focus range) for an air rifle. They quoted a price I couldnt refuse. I must say that is one fine scope. The seller and I worked a deal since it wasnt as described and all parties happy. | |||
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The Zeiss version is typically going to be a little more spendy depending on where you get it. I love the Zeiss as well. Really like the non-change in eye relief through the power range and the reticles. The three I have all seem very durable so far. I have had the 4.5x14 for 6 years and have yet to lose a zero and movement is still spot on. | |||
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Leupold is the most overrated scope you mentioned. I would buy either Burris or Bushnell 4200 or 6500 over Leupold. Leupold lovers are living in the past. | |||
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Well I must be living in the past. I sold my two buris scopes for about 1/2 of what I paid for them. When trying to zero a rifle woul try to move the bullet strike an inch. one time would get no movement, the next time two inches. I now use leouplds on all but one rifle and on two out of three of my grandkids guns(the other grand son has a nicon.) My other scope is a trijicon which I will replace with a leupold. | |||
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The 4200 & 6500 Elite scopes are excellent scopes with incredible optics. I have the 6500 on my AL .338 LM and it holds it's zero better than my conquest that I paid almost twice as much for. Sometimes things that are more expensive are not necessarily better! | |||
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I have a Burris Signature Select that was on my 338 wm. It started falling apart inside. I sent it back. They fixed it and it fell apart again. I called and they sent me a new one with a call tag for the other one. Their customer service is good in my experience, but if I bought another Burris, I would only buy the Black Diamond. I have a Leupold and although I have not used it much, I have never had a problem with it. I also don't recall ever hearing any thing negative about their customer service. However some of their scopes have had tracking issues. Until I am confident that they resolved this issue I would not buy another one. I called Bushnell one time to inquire about their range finders. I wanted some info about laser beam divergence in relation to their product. The guy got angry and didn't want to discuss it. That ended any interest I would have in a Bushnell product. I bought a Leica and have never been disappointed. | |||
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I have over 30 Leupolds on my rifles, with a smattering of Nikon, Swarovski, Bushnell, Redfield and Kahles on a few of the others. No question here: Leupold. Speaking from expierence, I have been all over the world with them and have shot everything from the Big Five/Magnificent Seven down to the little critters with those scopes, including the monster Leopard in my picture, which was shot with a Leupold 3.5 X 10 50mm with illuminated reticle. I have never had a problem, ever, with a Leupold. | |||
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