Finally thinking about buying a good quality scope. Looking at the Swarovski A-line 6X18X50 or the Conquest 6.5X20X50. The Swaro is about $100 higher. What do you think. The A-line is the cheapest of Swaro's line. How do they compare to the conquest. Any thoughts appreciated. Very had trying to ante up $1100 for a scope.

Yep, spending 1k plus is always tough but for scopes of this quality it doesn't really matter... Hopefully you have a way to personally view both of them. If so, let your eyes make that decision for you... Can't go wrong with either one....

Ken....

I have both scopes. The Conquest is a good scope. But it does not compare apples to apples with the Swarovski. The Swarovski is a better scope.

I am not sure where you are pricing your scopes at. The Conquest can be bought for $700-$800. And I would buy the Swarovski for the price you have quoted. All the ones I have seen have been higher than that. IMO there is a whole lot more price difference than $100. Tom.

The A-line is not a economy line like the Conquest, they are desiged to be lighter and smaller than the rest that´s all.

A 1' tube and lesser features makes then a great buy, a friend of mine has the 3-9x36 version and it does it all for him, longer ranges, driven hunts, stalking and night hunts.

I on the other hand like a moore specialized tool but it´s not always necesary.

I would go for the Swaro unless you have the need for the big, -20x50 mm scope that the conquest does or a mil dot.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by HEAD0001:
I have both scopes. The Conquest is a good scope. But it does not compare apples to apples with the Swarovski. The Swarovski is a better scope.

I am not sure where you are pricing your scopes at. The Conquest can be bought for $700-$800. And I would buy the Swarovski for the price you have quoted. All the ones I have seen have been higher than that. IMO there is a whole lot more price difference than $100. Tom.

I agree with Tom.

Optically, the Swaro is the better scope (I have both) - it has just that extra bit of resolution compared to the Conquest, which btw. is not bad in its own right. So if the price difference is only $100, it would be worth looking into the Swaro (unless you absolutely need target turrets and side adjustment for parallax).

Sadly, I have never found a Swaro 6-18x50 for just $100 more than what I have been able buy the 6.5-20x50 Conquest for. For the prices I see, the Conquest is pretty much unbeatable, IMHO. So I own 4 or 5 of the Conquests and only one of the Swaros...

- mike

The side focus parallax adjustment on the Conquest would seal the deal for me even if they cost the same. IMO, it is vastly preferable to the objective parallax adjustment.

I used the prices Cabelas has listed

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Originally posted by wrightboy:
I used the prices Cabelas has listed

I would be surprised if you could not do better elsewhere - at least for the Conquest.

There are several good options, including a couple of guys posting in here:

http://www.cameralandny.com/ (cheapest Conquest 6.5-20x50 option $675, cheapest Swaro 6-18x50 $1130).

Or

http://www.theopticzone.com/

- mike

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Originally posted by mho:
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There are several good options, including a couple of guys posting in here:

http://www.cameralandny.com/ (cheapest Conquest 6.5-20x50 option $675, cheapest Swaro 6-18x50 $1130).

Mike,
I'm on the market to buy one o two Swarovski AV series with the new BR reticle; do you know if Dough at cameralandny send riflescope to Europe?

Best regards

g.j.

Gamsjager- I can answer that one for you, no, cameralandny will not deliver to Europe.

I know I have tried.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by Gamsjager:

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Originally posted by mho:
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There are several good options, including a couple of guys posting in here:

http://www.cameralandny.com/ (cheapest Conquest 6.5-20x50 option $675, cheapest Swaro 6-18x50 $1130).

Mike,
I'm on the market to buy one o two Swarovski AV series with the new BR reticle; do you know if Dough at cameralandny send riflescope to Europe?

Best regards

g.j.

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Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Gamsjager- I can answer that one for you, no, cameralandny will not deliver to Europe.

I know I have tried.

Best regards Chris

Chris, thank you for your reply, but is a pity!

It seems only www.dnrsports.com (and perhaps middsouthsupplies) could deliver Swaro Av to Europe, but with the "old" TDS4 reticle.

Best regards

G.j.

I own Conquests in 2.5-8, 3-9, 4.5-14, and 6.5-20, and for the money, they are really hard to beat. I also own an A series Swarovski 3-9x36mm, and it is definitely the better scope.

For $100 or even $200 extra, I would buy the Swarovski, but if your talking 50% more money, the Conquest is a fine scope too.

+1 to Jeff Sullivan's comment.

My Conquest is a great scope; my Swaro is clearly a greater scope. For the money, the value of the Conquest is amazing. I would buy more of either one. The choice would mostly be decided on what I wanted or needed the scope for.

LWD

Ypu will find better scopes than conquest for the money, for instance Leupold. If you go for the europeans, you can find Khales at $ 600 in the US. (I think is the KX model).

Conquest, which is bottom of the Zeiss line, is discontinued.

If it were still April 1st I could understand the last 2 posts, as it is I am and ready to say

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Originally posted by woods:
If it were still April 1st I could understand the last 2 posts, as it is I am and ready to say

+1

Which leupy is better than a conquest? I have a couple and none of them come even remotely close to my conquest. And conquest being discontinued is just plain false. I think its there best selling line of rifle scopes.

Ok guys, if you`re happy with Conquest line, buy them......, there are custmers for all kind of things, and I know some people that say Tasco it is a great scope!

In the same way, B.S my....

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Originally posted by jabali:
Ok guys, if you`re happy with Conquest line, buy them......, there are custmers for all kind of things, and I know some people that say Tasco it is a great scope!

In the same way, B.S my....

I just simply asked a question on which Leupy is better than the conqest (I compare the VXIII to the Conquest in that they are in the same price range). I own both and through my eyes there is no question. I would ask the question again, but I would get yet another DA reply. For the record, I would take a low-end european scope over a low-end american scope any day of the week!

Woods, you are correct. My mistake. It is the Classic line that is discontinued, not the Conquest.

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:
...It is the Classic line that is discontinued, not the Conquest.

I noticed the "Classic" series had disappeared from the www.zeiss.com website. But it still shows on the German website of Carl Zeiss (follow the "All Riflescopes" link)...

http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A80033F8E4/Contents-Frame/10F...312641256A7300451C05

I wonder what the scoop is. The Classic offered (offers?) some great buys in the European type scopes, the Conquests being more typical "US type" scopes - reticles, magnification etc.

- mike

Thats right, US have no interest in a 1,5-6x42 or it´s likes at least thats what the sales have told the company, however the conquest is really selling like hotcakes.


Either way, we all should be happy there is a new budget line of scopes that rocks..

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by mho:

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Originally posted by onefunzr2:
...It is the Classic line that is discontinued, not the Conquest.

I noticed the "Classic" series had disappeared from the www.zeiss.com website. But it still shows on the German website of Carl Zeiss (follow the "All Riflescopes" link)...

http://www.zeiss.de/C12567A80033F8E4/Contents-Frame/10F...312641256A7300451C05

I wonder what the scoop is. The Classic offered (offers?) some great buys in the European type scopes, the Conquests being more typical "US type" scopes - reticles, magnification etc.

- mike

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Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Thats right, US have no interest in a 1,5-6x42 or it´s likes at least thats what the sales have told the company, however the conquest is really selling like hotcakes.


Either way, we all should be happy there is a new budget line of scopes that rocks..

Best regards Chris

Hey Chris,
I got a stupid question, but why is the 1.5-6x42 popular in Europe? Personaly I think its a great scope for deer and elk out west in the US, but I agree it has not caught on. Are shots taken in Europe less range than in the US? Or is bigger better?

@John: Bigger is better: I would not say that the 42 mm is so popular in at least Germany:

Most people have here 50mm or even 56 mm scopes on their guns (I have ONLY 50mm scopes!) because the wild boars are growing in nubers and the only way to get at least some of them is in the night (without artificial light), so just the most light gathering scope is the better and by the way: with a 2-12x50 You could do ANYTHING... I have the Swarovski 3-12x50 on my .375H&H and I use it also on driven hunts... so for me the mostly universal usable scope is that 2(3)-12x50, not any 1,5-6x42...!

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Originally posted by Jon Beutler:
...why is the 1.5-6x42 popular in Europe?

It is considered an excellent all-around scope. It offers you a wide field of view for driven hunting, yet it is more versatile for low light hunting than the dedicated driven hunting scopes (1.25-4x24 - or so).

These days, the development probably moves more in the direction of specialized scopes in Europe, but for a rifleman wanting to do it all with just one scope, the 1.5-6x42 is still an excellent choice.

- mike

Wrightboy:
If you decide you want a Swarovski A 6x18, PM me. I have two I am willing to sell in the box never mounted with all paperwork. One is a TDS and the other a Plex. I got them then decided I did not want that much magnification and went with Swarovski 4x12. I'll sell for $850 for the Plex and $900 for the TDS.

Jon, I belive a 1,5-6 is popular due to it´s versatility, on 1,5 it´s ok for driven hunts, a true 1X would be better but 1,5 is still super.

On 6 x the scope still yields great lowlight values a 7 mm pupil beam of light will be delivered.

Ranges in Europe varies greatly but a 6x will do great for 80% of all hunts in Sweden that is for sure.

I have X-titis my self, love high X:s, I really should have it looked in too.


I have two 1,5-6X42 scopes Ziess both one with a calibered cam, graded for a 147 FMJ 308 Win aka the 7,62, it´s origin is from a Mauser 66 israely sniper rifle.

The other one is plain tube.

Best regards Chris

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Originally posted by Jon Beutler:

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Originally posted by Husqvarna M98:
Thats right, US have no interest in a 1,5-6x42 or it´s likes at least thats what the sales have told the company, however the conquest is really selling like hotcakes.


Either way, we all should be happy there is a new budget line of scopes that rocks..

Best regards Chris

Hey Chris,
I got a stupid question, but why is the 1.5-6x42 popular in Europe? Personaly I think its a great scope for deer and elk out west in the US, but I agree it has not caught on. Are shots taken in Europe less range than in the US? Or is bigger better?

Second what Chris said.

For some of my hunting the 1,5-6x42 is THE scope. Moose hunting in woodland, often driven by dogs, with thight stands, short ranges and bears roaming about.
The 1,5 gives you a generous field of view, but on can still crank up to 6 on open moors and fields.

Also combined with hunting from high seats at dawn and dusk, the 1,5-6x42 is a versatile size.

Fore more specialized stalking one see more and moore "fit for the task" scopes, but the classic 1,5-6x42 is still hard to beat.

Edit: I whish that Leupold would make a VXIII in this configuration with the 4" eye relief and the German#4 reticle.
Same goes for Conquest by the way...
What I sight for a hard kicking moose / bear rifle