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Originally posted by p67:
Where do you get info [pictures] on what type of reticles they offer?

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Originally posted by tom ga hunter:
Fish30114.. Chuck's in Atlanta had some of their scopes in stock last time I looked.. Give them a call & ask Jack what he has.

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Originally posted by DMCI*:
I've got eight of them and wouldn't buy anything else.

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Originally posted by cheaptrick:
The S&B PMII is right there with the SN-3.
Heck, the Marine Corps chose the PMII over the SN-3 for the 8541's new sniper scope.

I'm partial to USO though.

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Look at it like this guys, if you were on the front line (and before you ask, yes i have been...and more than once) serving in the UK Royal Marines 40 and 42 Commando for 12 years.

I had the fortune to use S&B scopes in anger and you appreciate the little extra it can give you, especially against opponents with less clarity, precision in adjustment or low light capability.

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Like i say, I'm lucky enough to own both S&B and USO...so i think on comparisons there is little to choose from.



Ohhh BTW i collected both T3 Tacticals today so I'm gonna dress em up tonight and post some pics



My observations are only personal and as a *retired* professional shooter, take my comments with whatever dose of salts you wish.



Using extreme range (a power pylon) at 2 miles both scopes set on infinity the resolution is crisp and very clear both showing the insulators and disks as separate items. If anything i would say the Schmidt has only a very slight edge...and i mean SLIGHT.



Turret turn, for some reason USO (as a lot of US scopes are) have counter clockwise turret movements. This has caused me many wrong adjustments at critical times....but it is an operational error on my behalf...no fault of the scope. The same would be said after a Canadian rifleman noted when i let him shoot my AIAW during a NATO excercise....so horses for courses as we say here.

Turret click and feel is good on both, the USO has slightly dampened feel to them where as the Schmidt is good for gloved fingers ( a must for any UK Commando unit because we fight in extreme cold climate) However for Civilian use and warmer climates the USO has good feel.



Both scopes are Milliradian so no problems there



Reticule....mmmmm, my personal favorite is the one i have in the AIAW Schmidt combo (not available to civilians and was Accuracy Internationals own design) but that comes through training with it for 12 years. But for clarity i give the USO thumbs up.



Power and usability. A lot of guys go for max power in scopes, I'm not a keen advocate of this philosophy and think that 12 is more than adequate for the hunting of the species humanous. But the USO scores here 100%. 17 power is a very good compromise on a hunting scope and not seen widely in Europe.



Fit and finish on both (My USO is a Canadian sniper in green anodized) is what you would expect from these 2 camps...damn all between them. If however i was on the battlefield, i would go for the Black AR coating on the S&B...again its a personal choice.



Glass quality, well again the S&B and the USO in grind quality...bugger all between them in reality. Neither wins an outright prize in my book as its just too close to call.



Night use....Schmidt all the way, for some reason (and I'm not sure why) the USO does not deliver the last 10 mins of usable light very well. I have checked this with both scopes set on 8 power and side by side comparison....go figure??



Eye relief...bugger all in it



So to sum them both up, and i can only comment on the 2 i own for the no nonsense purpose built sniper market, I would happily take either into the hunt. Experience has shown me many different scopes, fitted to soooooo many rifles that it comes down to your own preference and what you feel comfortable with, and the time you spend behind the scope giving familiarity and confidence is what makes that shot just a little easier.



Both are fine optics, both have merits and only a few (if any) faults. I know you guys don't always plumb for the European exotics, and we don't always have access to companies like USO and the products. I have spoken to USO and have been absolutely won over by the supreme customer service and that counts for hell of a lot. I know people who have had bad times with them....but again, its personal service and its priceless value to any purchase.

Value for money.....USO for me, comfort factor with the customer service (i have never tried to return either S&B or USO products) i feel USO have done me proud.

I know a guy here in the UK who bought a combat scope from USO for his AR15...he loved it but it had a rail fit problem, USO offered to take his rail and machine both parts to an exact fit for ZERO cost.....i bet S&B wouldn't

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Did the McQueens sniper competition at Bisley with the AIAW last Friday....peeing down with rain and gusting 10-20mph cross winds...urgghh, still good to see some old ex-professional shooters there for the day.....i got 4xV's 6x 5's (using RG Military sniper grade ammo)...not bad but, i got outclassed on the Sunday (I only shot Friday) when the weather improved to Zero crosswind and bright sunny weather...ho-humm thats life and I'm not bitter.

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Originally posted by DMCI*:
I've got eight of them and wouldn't buy anything else.

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Originally posted by seafire/B17G:
But I do have to ask.... in the world of $1,000 Leupold and $1500.00 German Optics.... does a $2500.00 plus scope and $2500.00 rifle really do all that MUCH MORE for ya???

 .260 Remington 100 grain : Sierra Varminter  0.264" 100gr HP 				
			SIGHT IN	FIELD
			DATA	DATA
MUZZLE VELOCITY (fps)			3270	3270
BULLET WEIGHT (grains)			100	
SIGHT HT ABOVE BORE (in)			2.6	
SIGHT IN DISTANCE (yd)			100	
ALTITUDE (ft)			3500	3500
TEMPERATURE (deg F)			95	95
PRESSURE @ SEA LEVEL (in Hg)			29.53	29.53
RELATIVE HUMIDITY (pct)			41	41
WIND VELOCITY (mph)				10
WIND ANGLE (deg)				90
INCLINE ANGLE (deg)				0
MAX APPARENT TRAJECTORY (in)				0.1
BALLISTIC COEFF			0.259	0.282
LOWER VELOCITY LIMIT (fps)			2300	1800
				
		Sight Adjustments Needed		
RANGE	Elevation	Windage	Tgt Lead	Elevation
(yd)	MOA	MOA	MOA	(in)
0	0.00	0.00	0.00	-2.6
25	6.25	0.25	1.50	-1.6
50	1.50	0.50	1.50	-0.9
75	0.50	0.50	1.50	-0.3
100	0.00	0.75	1.50	0.0
125	0.00	1.00	1.75	0.1
150	0.00	1.25	1.75	-0.2
175	0.25	1.50	1.75	-0.6
200	0.75	1.75	1.75	-1.4
225	1.00	2.00	1.75	-2.5
250	1.50	2.25	1.75	-3.9
275	2.00	2.50	1.75	-5.7
300	2.50	2.75	1.75	-7.8
325	3.00	3.00	1.75	-10.3
350	3.50	3.25	1.75	-13.2
375	4.25	3.50	2.00	-16.5
400	4.75	3.75	2.00	-20.3
425	5.50	4.00	2.00	-24.6
450	6.25	4.25	2.00	-29.4
475	7.00	4.75	2.00	-34.7
500	7.75	5.00	2.00	-40.6
525	8.50	5.25	2.00	-47.1
550	9.50	5.50	2.00	-54.2
575	10.25	6.00	2.25	-62.0
600	11.25	6.25	2.25	-70.5
625	12.25	6.50	2.25	-79.8
650	13.25	7.00	2.25	-89.9
675	14.25	7.25	2.25	-100.8
700	15.25	7.75	2.25	-112.6
725	16.50	8.00	2.25	-125.3
750	17.75	8.50	2.50	-139.0
775	19.00	8.75	2.50	-153.8
800	20.25	9.25	2.50	-169.7
825	21.50	9.50	2.50	-186.8
850	23.00	10.00	2.50	-205.2
875	24.50	10.25	2.50	-224.8
 

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One in his Eddie Bauer Deluxe Edition Excursion... and the other in his Silver Chalis Special Edition Hummer....