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https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg9w4n6gp5o South African president signs controversial land seizure law 1 day ago Khanyisile Ngcobo BBC News The expropriation law seems set to step up land reform in South Africa South African President Cyril Ramaphosa has signed into law a bill allowing land seizures by the state without compensation - a move that has put him at odds with some members of his government. Black people only own a small fraction of farmland nationwide more than 30 years after the end of the racist system of apartheid - the majority remains with the white minority. This has led to frustration and anger over the slow pace of reform. While Ramaphosa's ANC party hailed the law as a "significant milestone" in the country's transformation, some members of the coalition government say they may challenge it in court. The law "outlines how expropriation can be done and on what basis" by the state, the government says. It replaces the pre-democratic Expropriation Act of 1975, which placed an obligation on the state to pay owners it wanted to take land from, under the principle of "willing seller, willing buyer". The new law allows for expropriation without compensation only in circumstances where it is "just and equitable and in the public interest" to do so. This includes if the property is not being used and there's no intention to either develop or make money from it or when it poses a risk to people. The president's spokesperson Vincent Magwenya said that, under the law, the state "may not expropriate property arbitrarily or for a purpose other than... in the public interest". "Expropriation may not be exercised unless the expropriating authority has without success attempted to reach an agreement with the owner," he added. The signing of the law comes after a five-year consultative process as well as the findings of a presidential panel set up to look into the issue. The pro-business Democratic Alliance (DA), the second largest party in the government of national unity (GNU), says it "strongly opposes" the law and was consulting with its lawyers. It says that while it supports legislation addressing land restitution, it takes issue with the process followed by the country's parliament to enact this law. The Freedom Front Plus, a party which defends the rights of the white minority and is also in the GNU, vowed to challenge the constitutionality of the law and do "everything in its power" to have it amended if it is found to be unconstitutional. One of the sticking points for the party was the law's possible threat to private ownership. Outside of the coalition government, the Economic Freedom Fighters, known for its radical views on nationalisation and land distribution, has called the move a "legislative cop-out" by the governing party. The party also says the law will not help resolve the contentious issue of land restitution in South Africa. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | ||
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Holy balls How to really ruin country…TIA Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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Like they couldn’t f@&k the place up any worse . | |||
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Like small uneducated landowners have been able to produce enough to feed their nation anywhere else in subsaharan Africa. Frankly, its just pandering for votes, but it is going to make the country a wasteland if they go forward with this. | |||
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Might make SA ripe for Chinese "assistance" Hunting.... it's not everything, it's the only thing. | |||
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Ditto to both comments. | |||
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/03...rica-intl/index.html South Africa denies ‘confiscating land,’ after Trump threatens to cut off aid Jessie Yeung By Jessie Yeung, CNN 2 minute read Published 4:42 AM EST, Mon February 3, 2025 CNN — South African President Cyril Ramaphosa responded on Monday to US President Donald Trump’s threat to cut off aid over the alleged mistreatment of White farmers, denying Trump’s claim that authorities were “confiscating land.” “South Africa is a constitutional democracy that is deeply rooted in the rule of law, justice and equality. The South African government has not confiscated any land,” Ramaphosa wrote on X. “We look forward to engaging with the Trump administration over our land reform policy and issues of bilateral interest,” he wrote. He added that, while the US was a key strategic political and trade partner, it did not provide significant funding to South Africa besides a major HIV/AIDS relief program. His statement comes after Trump wrote on Truth Social on Sunday that he would cut off all future funding to the country until there was a full investigation into allegations that “South Africa is confiscating land, and treating certain classes of people VERY BADLY.” Trump’s long-held complaint, which he’d also made in 2018 during his first term, goes back to the complex land reform in South Africa. Racist policies of the past forcefully removed Black and non-White South Africans from the land for White use. There has been a land redistribution and restitution provision in the country’s constitution since South Africa emerged from its apartheid era and held its first democratic elections in 1994. However, unemployment and poverty remain acute among Black South Africans, who make up around 80% of the population, yet own a fraction of the land. In January, Ramaphosa signed a bill into law that sets forth new guidelines for land expropriation, including enabling the government to expropriate land without compensation in some cases. In his X post Monday, Ramaphosa said the law was “not a confiscation instrument,” but a legal process that “ensures public access to land in an equitable and just manner as guided by the constitution.” However, constitutional protections against expropriation without compensation still remain in place, and experts believe South Africa’s ruling party will face legal challenges if it seeks to implement the policy. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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Trump flexes his muscles and about time the USA challenged RSA land policies ROYAL KAFUE LTD Email - kafueroyal@gmail.com Tel/Whatsapp (00260) 975315144 Instagram - kafueroyal | |||
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I'm hearing Kamala and the democrats are moving down there, so yeah they can.... USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Well since this is CNN, I don't believe much of this. When I was in RSA, I saw orange orchards set up where white farmers were supposed to teach the blacks how to keep the orchards viable and working and turn it over to them, yet the blacks, in essence, too lazy to actually want work so the farms were failing. They figured why work since all that the whites had to do was just prey to their gods and bags of money appear. | |||
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And all very true! Incompetence, selfishness, racist governments always do that! So sad to see! | |||
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IF..IF they do this the. The Western moron liberals must not intervene and let them fail. Worst thing we can do is allow this and the inevitable….then bail them out | |||
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ALL Africa's problems were caused by the West! | |||
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Saeed, This is why I decided not to buy a house there. But I have to disagree. The West may have started it in motion, but after "independence" "Uhuru" the East is what will cause African governments to fail. | |||
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I have to agree with this one. If we could have kept our racist liberals out of there the country would have been better off. They cannot govern themselves. "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading". | |||
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/14...elcome-us/index.html Rubio says South African ambassador ‘no longer welcome’ in US Jennifer Hansler By Jennifer Hansler, CNN 4 minute read Updated 2:58 AM EDT, Sat March 15, 2025 CNN — US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on Friday said that South Africa’s ambassador to the United States “is no longer welcome in our great country.” “Ebrahim Rasool is a race-baiting politician who hates America and hates” President Donald Trump, Rubio alleged in a post on X. “We have nothing to discuss with him and so he is considered PERSONA NON GRATA,” Rubio wrote. Declaring someone persona non grata (PNG) is a severe diplomatic rebuke and usually forces them to leave the host country. South Africa’s President Cyril Ramaphosa called the decision “regrettable” and expressed his commitment to building a “mutually beneficial relationship.” “The Presidency urges all relevant and impacted stakeholders to maintain the established diplomatic decorum in their engagement with the matter,” Ramaphosa’s office said in a statement. CNN has reached out to the State Department for comment. Rubio’s post linked to an article from the right-wing news outlet Breitbart about Rasool’s comments to a think tank Friday about Trump’s election and presidency. The PNG declaration against Rasool is the latest chapter in the plummeting relationship between the US and South Africa. There had been tensions between the two countries under the Biden administration. However, since Trump began his second term the US has taken a series of punitive measures against South Africa, whose government has been met with ire not only from Trump, but also his ally tech billionaire Elon Musk, who was born and raised in the country. Both Trump and Musk have alleged that White farmers in the country are being discriminated against under land reform policies that South Africa’s government says are necessary to remedy the legacy of apartheid. In the comments that seem to have triggered Rubio’s PNG declaration, Rasool was discussing the “continuities” from the Biden administration as well as the “discontinuities.” “What Donald Trump is launching is an assault on incumbency, those who are in power, by mobilizing a supremacism against the incumbency at home and … abroad as well,” said Rasool, who was on his second tour as ambassador to the US. He presented his credentials in mid-January to then President Joe Biden and previously served in Washington, DC, under the Obama administration. He said that the Make America Great Again movement was a response “not simply to a supremacist instinct,” but to shifts in US demographics “in which the voting electorate in the USA is projected to become 48% white and that the possibility of a majority of minorities is looming on the horizon.” “So that needs to be factored in, so that we understand some of the things that we think are instinctive, nativist, racist things, I think that there’s data that, for example, would support that, that would go to this wall being built, the deportation movement, etc. etc.,” he said as part of his nearly 20-minute-long remarks to the Mapungubwe Institute for Strategic Reflection (MISTRA). Rasool said “it’s no accident” that Musk has involved himself in far-right British politics and that Vice President JD Vance met with the leader of a far-right German political party before the elections there. “That then begins to say what was the role then of Afrikaners in that whole project,” he continued. “Very clearly it’s to project white victimhood as a dog whistle.” In January, South Africa enacted the Expropriation Act, seeking to undo the legacy of apartheid, which created huge disparities in land ownership among its majority Black and minority White population. Under apartheid, non-White South Africans were forcibly dispossessed from their lands for the benefit of Whites. Today, some three decades after racial segregation officially ended in the country, Black South Africans, who comprise over 80% of the population of 63 million, own only around 4% of private land. The expropriation law empowers South Africa’s government to take land and redistribute it – with no obligation to pay compensation in some instances – if the seizure is found to be “just and equitable and in the public interest.” Ramaphosa said the legislation would “ensure public access to land in an equitable and just manner.” But the White House disagrees and Trump and Musk believe the land reform policy discriminates against White South Africans. The policy has prompted a strong reaction from the Trump administration. In early February, Rubio announced he would not attend the meeting of the G20 foreign ministers in Johannesburg, saying at the time that “South Africa is doing very bad things.” “Expropriating private property. Using G20 to promote ‘solidarity, equality, & sustainability.’ In other words: DEI and climate change,” the top US diplomat alleged. “My job is to advance America’s national interests, not waste taxpayer money or coddle anti-Americanism.” Just days later, Trump suspended aid to South Africa, alleging discrimination against White farmers. In that same executive order, the president said the US would “promote the resettlement of Afrikaner refugees escaping government-sponsored race-based discrimination, including racially discriminatory property confiscation.” Earlier this month, Trump said in a post on social media that “any Farmer (with family!) from South Africa, seeking to flee that country for reasons of safety, will be invited into the United States of America with a rapid pathway to Citizenship.” CNN’s Nimi Princewill and Lucas Lilieholm contributed to this report. Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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This is an unfortunate defect in “democracy.” If the majority wants their neighbors stuff, they just pass a law to take it. Unless there is firm punishment designed to control that urge, this is what being human is. Without the institutional primacy of property rights, you always end up here. | |||
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Africa didn’t change They were stealing from each other and killing each other then Europeans came in and put everything in order and when they handed good systems back to Africans, they just started wars and stealing again and blaming everything in their lives on Europeans It would be funny if it wasn’t sad Never been lost, just confused here and there for month or two | |||
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Europeans NEVER put things in order. They changed the ORDER. THEY started stealing and killing. Not much different than what is actually happening in the West right now. Changes political parties, but most things remain the same! But party members and installed them to do your bidding! America is a perfect example!  | |||
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From yesterday's State Department briefing in which the expulsion of the RSA ambassador is discussed. https://www.state.gov/briefing...t-619868-SouthAfrica QUESTION: One, on the South African ambassador who the Secretary declared PNG on Friday — MS BRUCE: Sure. QUESTION: — the South Africans seem to be a little bit miffed that they learned about this from a X post. And I understand there was a meeting at which a formal diplomatic note explaining this (inaudible) — MS BRUCE: Yes. QUESTION: Can you – what day was that, the meeting? MS BRUCE: Well, it was the same day of the announcement. QUESTION: So, Friday. MS BRUCE: Yes. So, after Secretary Rubio made his decision, our senior-level diplomats convoked the South African embassy staff for an in-person meeting at the State Department. At this meeting, our officials delivered the official notification of Ambassador Rasool’s persona-non-grata status, and it was done. QUESTION: Okay. And I understand that his privileges and immunities expire today, and that he has to leave by Friday? MS BRUCE: That’s right. So, he has up – for these three days that passed, he’s had his privileges, but those did expire today, and he has – technically it’s a week from the notice, and so that expires now on Friday. QUESTION: Okay. MS BRUCE: He’ll need to be – he’ll need to be out of the country. Second question on the expulsion: QUESTION: Thanks. Could I go back to South Africa, the ambassador? MS BRUCE: Sure. QUESTION: The Secretary, of course, had his – his X posted on Friday. Could you explain a little bit the reasons? It’s quite an extraordinary step. I was looking back, and if I’m not mistaken, even in the height of tensions with Russia there’s no expulsion of the ambassador and of PNG there. What is it? I mean, essentially this is the remarks that the ambassador made at a thinktank or at a conference — MS BRUCE: That’s correct. QUESTION: – that were critical. What I’m getting at is: Should other ambassadors be on alert? Can they not criticize President Trump without fear of being expelled? MS BRUCE: Well, I think it’s not about criticism. This was the equation of the President and the country with white supremacy. It was an allegation that casts such an awful light on the nature of the country, on individuals. It is – it is – I mean, if we don’t have a standard about the nature of someone who is in this country who is supposed to be a diplomat to help facilitate the relationship between two countries and that this is the standard of it – we deserve better. We want – we’ve had a decent level of diplomacy with South Africa. There are some challenges. But you want people in each embassy who can actually facilitate a relationship. And these remarks were unacceptable to the United States – not just to the President, but to every American. It was – they were pretty much obscene when it came to the nature of what was – of what was alleged. And so that is, I think, at the very least what we should expect, is a standard of some respect – basic, low-level respect – if you’re in a position that is going to help facilitate any kind of diplomatic relationship with another country. The – this particular individual certainly didn’t meet that standard, and it is a message to people of what America expects, what the President expects, what the Secretary of State expects, what this whole administration expects when it comes to treatment of the nation itself, and as a result, of the people in this country. And so that’s why it was done. QUESTION: Sure, and just expanding on – South Africa today said that it wants to have a better relationship with the United States. Are you open to that? I mean, there have been other – the Secretary stayed away from the G20. Is – are you of the view that South Africa can repair the relationship despite the criticism that’s come from this building or the — MS BRUCE: Well, they – I think the – both the President and the Secretary of State have made it clear what the problems are and what they have an issue with when it comes to South Africa. The unjust land expropriation law, as well as its growing relationship with countries like Russia and Iran; it has prompted – that’s what prompted the serious review of our South Africa policy, which continues to be underway. They have taken also, the South African Government, aggressive positions toward the United States and its allies, including accusing Israel – not Hamas – of genocide in the International Court of Justice, and reinvigorating its relationship with Iran to develop commercial, military, and nuclear arrangements. So, this isn’t one just of demeanor or decorum, however they add into it. This is a matter of a nation that is – we’ve, again, made it very clear – taking steps that are not in the interests, the best interests of providing a safe, secure, more prosperous America, let alone the world, when it comes to the decisions they’re making. So, all of this is under review, and – but obviously part of it is, within the diplomacy of it, is to encourage a change in policy and posture. Of course that would be the point. The point is to encourage a change. What I’ve seen with the trips with – we’ve made with the diplomatic adventures, of course, as well as the G7 summit in Canada, is the nature of the Secretary of State is to make things better for people. It is not to punish or to target people or countries. It’s a nature of changing policy and creating better environments for all of us. And I’ve seen that in motion in every dynamic, and that’s the case here with South Africa as well. | |||
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Thanks for that, John. It's really all about choice and consequence. Rasool chose to run his mouth and now needs a plane ticket. Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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