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Hi for hunting oryx and genu which one you would choose in a 3006 or 375 H&H? regards yes Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy; its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. | ||
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They both going to do the job.The one that you are more comfortable with and find out if it is in thick bush you are hunting or more open flat land hunting | |||
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Whichever shoots best in your rifle Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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They both will do a bang-up job. I prefer the Swift (92-95% weight retention) over the Nosler Partition (70-75% weight retention) for larger plansgame critters. Leopard, hands down the Partition bullet, you never know when you might add something to the hunting menu while you are over there like eland, buff, etc. that's when the Swift bullet is the bullet of choice. Personal preferences 180 grain Swift/30-06 and the 300 grain Swift/375 "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Either will do the job. I'm a Partition fan. Also you might consider Accubonds. Several forum member have had great results with them on heavy plains game. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Try them both and shoot the most accurate in your rifles. The partitions are slightly more accurate for me. Good shooting. Good shooting. phurley | |||
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For plains game, my preference is toward the Partitions, in both calibers you list! This includs as a soft nose first shot on cape Buffalo! The olny "ONE SHOT BOILERROOM KILLS" I have experenced on cape buffalo have been with 300 gr Nosler partitions, from a 375 H&H rifle! All others have taken at least three shots,unless the spine or brain was hit, regardless of bullet type, or caliber! IMO, both will do the job, but I prefere the explosive effect of the first 10" of penetration offered by the Partition, that sends shrapnel into a wide area of tissue, and the partitioned base driving deep into the remaining tissue! This shrapenl effect is not offered by the A-Frame, with it's mushroom remaining smooth! In the end, this is only a personal preference, but one backed by seeing the effect of both on things like almost everything from ferel hogs to Cape Buffalo! The choice is your's, and you will not go wrong either way! ...........Good luck, and enjoy your safari!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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IMO, you sould use the partition..I have used the Swifts extensively and on a lot of animals in my .338 and 300 H&H, and they tend to expand perfectly but into a round smooth ball like expansion, and I have had animals make a lot of tracks and leave very little blood to trail on many ocassions...They, like Barnes, seem to work better on the big heavy animals like buffalo IMO....whereas the Woodleighs, Noslers, tear up more organs with the ragged edges that are spinning and have a buzz saw effect, thus more internal damage.. Any bullet will give dramatic kills, and some tend to base a bullets quality of few kills, and that just does not work..I would only judge a bullet on a minimum of 20 kills and a 1000 would be just that much better. The same thing applies to calibers, but then it would get confusing as you might be surprised how diffeicult it is to tell much difference in calibers. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Yes, I agree with Dirklawyer. In a choice between the two I would go with the A-frame unless your gun just prefers the NP. You'll get best results with a bullet known to stay together and not result in nose disintegration on impact. The NP is accurate, and after all it's the pathfinder for all the rest of the new generation of premium bullets that have flowed from its design and stood on its success. It's just that some of the new guys on the block will give you an extra edge. You will need all the help you can get if you are using a .30-06 on gemsbok (oryx). Such large animals are members of the "big-six" of southern african antilope: Roan, Kudu, Gemsbok, Eland, Sable and Waterbuck. You're talking about tough animals. Even with the A-Frame you might become disappointed in the results and wish you had brought a heavier gun than a .30-06. I agree with using the heaviest and toughest bullet you can find. Good hunting. Bill That which is not impossible is compulsory | |||
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What's a genu? Should probably shoot Swifts in your 30-06 and Partitions in your 375. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Yazid, You will find the Swifts will 99% of the time shoot better............ so I'd use them, fair dinkum  Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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I used swifts in my 06' and 300rum because both guns love them. Shoot very well, much better than partitions for me. Over last 2 years I shot 17 different PG with them and had perfect results on every one. I was able to recover about 7 of them and cound not have been happier with the results. I personally do not care for partitions. | |||
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I use Partitions for whitetail and have for years, but for African game, I use A Frames, both in .375 and 7mm Rem mag. I have had superior results in both, primarily resulting on one shot kills of buff, gemsbok, kudu, blesbok, zebra, several impala and others. I see nothing wrong with them, although many say they usually don't exit. Some of mine did and some did not. The one solitary buff I've shot with the A Frame resulted in complete broadside penetration with no exit, the bullet found on the offside under the skin. He was dead within fifty yards. And they are particularly accurate in my rifles, although my Dakota 7mm Rem prefers 160 TSX's. That's a winner, also. Just my 2c. | |||
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A-Frames. I'll even give up some accuracy to use a better bullet. "There always seems to be a big market for making the clear, complex." | |||
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The Swifts are usually more accurate in most rifles I have owned but not always so. The difference is about 1/2" on average. So it means 3/4" groups versus 1 1/4" groups. that difference is absolutely meaningless in an African plains game bullet considering I am not going to shoot beyond 300 yards anyway. If my menu included animals of less than 500 lbs, I would go with the faster opening Partitions and if not the slower opening Swifts. 465H&H | |||
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Alf, Your assessment may or may not be correct..but based on the large number of animals that I have shot with the 06 and .338 with both bullets, that is the conclusion I arrived at..I know that the animals that I shot with the NP made fewer traciks for what ever reason...Terry B, also stated in an earlier post that he was of the same conclusion...Perhaps my reasoning is wrong, but it's all I could come up with to explain the number of animals that made so many tracks and left so little blood with the Swifts. I talked in length with Swift and thus the Sirrocco bullet for smaller animals, or so they told me... I have found the Swift A frame to be a much better Buffalo bullet than a plainsgame bullet and I will say the same about the Barnes X bullets... These conclusions are mine and mine alone, and if anyone feels otherwise then I am fine with that... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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