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Widowmaker416, You have a PM. _______________________________________________________ Hunt Report - South Africa 2022 Wade Abadie - Wild Shot Photography Website | Facebook | Instagram | |||
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Don't be silly Widowmaker, nothing is 100%, and it was a joke, but one that is almost 100% true. I'm quite sure there are some who would, if they could, pay those prices, but not many from Texas. It is my opinion, that a full 85% of the folks hunting on the 777, and ranches like it, are from someplace other than Texas. There are a lot of people liveing in Texas who are not Texans! Things like Black buck, Eland, Aoudad, and Mauflon are cheaper I'm sure a lot of those ,are taken by Texans! I think, however, most of the things that get into the $7000 to $10,000 range are taken by mostly big city folks from the east! Our next door neighbor, New Mexico has 36 million acres of public land, and with under $1000 worth of tags, we can hunt Elk, Muledeer, Pronghorn, black bear, and all non game animals in some of the best hunting land in the USA. NM is a state that has less population than the city of El Paso, Texas, and most of the ranches are BLM land, open for public hunting. Texas has absolutely no public land that is open to hunting, with a draw that never happens. You will see all the Texans, in New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Alaska Canada,and Africa!  Hell I was born on a Texas ranch that had wall to wall whitetail and we let people, who had the courtisy to come to the house and ask, to hunt, no charge. You wont find that today. Today residents are priced out of the hunting in Texas. Anyone can go to Africa, and take five or six animals, including one of the big five(Cape Buffalo) for the price those idiots pay for a KUDU, on the 777!  The priceing in Texas, has become so high, that for the last 40 yrs I've hunted Alaska, New mexico, Canada,Wyoming and Africa, rather than my own state. I have no problem with ranch hunting, but there is a limit to what I will pay, for anything not indigenous to Texas. I've taken meat Eland in Texas, and Mouflon, but I sure didn't pay any $1500 for either of them. If you hunt in Texas, you're going to pay, but about the only thing I, and most Texans hunt , on a regular basis, in Texas are wild Boar. Even doves will cost you a minimum of $50 per day, trespass fee. Folks Africa is the bargain in the world of hunting! No other place can compare!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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right on Mac!!! I thank God I have a small place to shoot a few doves and a deer and hog now and then. as a man of modest means, hunting in Tx has gotten away from the average guy! | |||
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It is an absolute outrage when one can't hunt in your birth country, without enough money! That is disgusting!! | |||
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The free enterprise system dictates that supply drives demand and vice versa. Hunting in TX is driven by that very business parameter. Same goes for Canada. How in the world can a Stone Sheep hunt cost $28,000 (per Acheson's latest cancelation email) when five years ago it went for $12000? Supply and demand is the reason. None of us has "right" to hunt in our "birth country" or any country for that matter. It is a privilege granted by the government and by the owner of the land on which you hope to hunt. You have no more right to hunt in your country than in mine or in my paddock or your neighbors without paying for it. Wildlife must pay it's own way. South Africa and Namibia are the best examples I have ever seen of this. The governments do not set any bag limits but issue very general rules for safe hunting. The landowners, the very folks who control and cultivate the animals, are responsible for taking care of what lives on their property. After a century of killing off every edible creature in RSA, the landowners decided to make a rand or dollar by re-introducing native and non-native species for hunters. Hence the proliferation of wildlife in each country. The landowners choose to erect high fences to keep the "livestock" on thier property for the purpose of letting it be shot by hunters. Same in Texas. In Texas, deer are a cash crop. They are pampered, feed, genetically manipulated, baited and shot for horns. That is all, not for meat but for horns. The meat is cheaper at Safeway. You can convince me or anyone else that in America, we need to hunt meat for survival. That is pure hogwash. Every indigenous race (Indians, Eskimos, illegal aliens, whatever) has access to food via government or state agencies. The cost of hunting is what it is because the people that sell equipment, animals and access price those items to make money. If you get access to "free" land, where the owner does not charge you for hunting, you are truly fortunate. However, your costs are still very high. Hunting is entertainment in the USA. It is an activity, not a right, not a necessity. Sorry folks, welcome to 2006... To a ranche, there is no difference between this and raising sheep or cattle. The owner of the resource is doing what is best for him and his family. If it is raising "wild" animals vs. traditionally domesticated animals, so be it. It is his choice to decide how to make his land produce money. In Texas, the landowners have tapped a great market - the urban dweller who chooses not to hunt on public land in Alaska or public land in Canada or go to Africa to hunt on private or public (actually land that is gov't. owned but use is auctioned to the highest bidder). If the 777 Ranch can get those prices for the animals they raise, great. The system works. If they cannot, the animals will be sold or the price lowered. Same idea for high fenced hunting and the price of leases - if the demand was not there, those would disappear and ranchers would go back to raising cows or sheep. At the end of the day, it is about money - wildlife, like you and me, must produce money or we go down the road. So do not complain about the high cost of hunting or life or gasoline - be glad that the system works and we have the choice to hunt or not.... | |||
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Very well articulated, Dogcat. I disagree with you on a couple of small technicalities, but the gist of "supply and demand Capitalism" is point on and is one of the principles this country was founded on. And it seems to be working as both South Africa and Texas have more game now than at the turn of the century! On the plains of hesitation lie the bleached bones of ten thousand, who on the dawn of victory lay down their weary heads resting, and there resting, died. If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch... Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son! - Rudyard Kipling Life grows grim without senseless indulgence. | |||
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I was gonna say you missed Nilgai antelope as being available to hunt in Texas, but then remembered they are native to India. | |||
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You and dogcat are spot on, and I have no problem with the land owner makeing money, even lots of money for the game he spends his own money to manage on his own land! However, in Texas there is a little known rule of law, regarding land, that allows a land lessor to do what is called "checker boarding"which allows him to lease every other section of a parcel of PUBLIC land, then deny access to the land,that is surrounded, by the leased sections. Guess who got that law passed, the very large ranchers of the late 1800s, where they owned maybe 3 or 4 thousand acres, that ajoins one side of a 20,000 acre parcel of public land, then by leasing 500 yd wide strip of land around the outside of that pub land, surrounds it completely. He grazes it all, and by law can keep me out, then charges me to hunt on public land he has not paid one thin dime for! In New mexico, public land is always public,in an open season for any game animal, and access cannot be denied by a lessor, even on public land he has leased.He also cannot CHECKER BOARD public land and use it with out payment, and cannot deny access to public land, even if he owns the land that surrounds it. This is because he cannot lease public land, only the grass on that land! With 36 million acres of public land, in some of the ruggedest places on the North American content, in mountains that go up to 16 thousand feet. All one needs do is buy a license to hunt all the public land outside army bases, and you can get a permit to hunt those parcels as well. Since New Mexico is just across an imagionary line in the sand, why would Texans hunt at those exorbinant prices! That is all I'm saying, we have a choice the guys in New York, may not be aware of, so they pay the heavy price, and we hunt else where! You see that is the other side of "Capatilism" the buyer has a choice! Still it is false economy, to pay those prices asked for in Texas when it is so much cheaper, and IMO, a far better hunt if one simply boards a plane, with his rifle, and goes to Africa, or gets in his jeep and goes the the GILA Wilderness. If paying the prices ask by ranches like 777, Indian head, and Y-O, is your thing, fine, do so! But don't tell me it is cheaper, or a better experience than going to Africa. When I go to Africa, I don't stop in RSA, because it is simply Texas, with a funny accent, and no cowboys! It, and Texas are a great resourses for those who want that type of hunt,and can afford it,and may not have the time to go to Africa, but it simply is not for me, and what IS for me is cheaper! Zimbabwe, Zambia,Botswana, Tanzania, namibia, Mozambique, all have truley natural habitat, and game, and the prices are much better than in my home! My participation in this string is at an end! BYE! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith | |||
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If anybody else is interested in possibly doing an Eland meat hunt this fall, send me a PM. It's starting to look like I might be getting together with MacD37 & Widowmaker416 to do a hunt at the Camp Cooley. Maybe we can get a group together. _______________________________________________________ Hunt Report - South Africa 2022 Wade Abadie - Wild Shot Photography Website | Facebook | Instagram | |||
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