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Ran acros this on the net...thought you guys and gals would find it helpful

TSA is reaching out to gun dealers, sports associations, law enforcement organizations and others to help get the message out concerning the rules for transporting firearms, firearm parts and ammunition. The Federal requirements regarding travel with firearms and ammunition aboard commercial air carrier are listed below. For additional information, go to the TSA Website at http://www.tsa.gov/public.

Firearms are prohibited from carry-on baggage.
Firearms must be checked with the air carrier as luggage.
Firearms and ammunition must be declared orally or in writing in accordance with the air carrier's procedures.
All firearms must be unloaded.
The firearm must be carried in a hard-sided container.
The container must be locked and only the passenger may retain the key or combination.
Ammunition is prohibited from carry-on luggage.
Ammunition may not be carried loose.
Ammunition must travel in the manufacturer's packaging or other packaging suitable for transport.
Ammunition may be packed in the same hard-sided, locked case as the firearm as long as it complies with packaging requirements as stated above and the air carrier permits it to be packed with the firearm.
Firearm parts may not be transported in carry-on baggage.


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Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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A friends son was coming back from a canadian goose hunt last year. He had his choke tubes in carry on and they had to go into baggage, He had a roll of duct tape & they took that away becayse it could be used as a restraint. When he got to mpls and was going thru customs they wanted to see his hunting license. Looking through his pockets for it he found the 12" knife he had been butchering geese with the night before. Sharp bunch these TSA guys
 
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Go look at SAA web site and check items prohibited from CHECKED bagage and you will find Ammunition. Go figure.
 
Posts: 5338 | Location: Bedford, Pa. USA | Registered: 23 February 2002Reply With Quote
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Butchloc...they found a 12 inch knife that he inadvertantly had left in his pocket?!!!
Peter.


Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong;
 
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The URL for the TSA web site section on:

Transporting Firearms and Ammunition
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1666.xml

Transporting Hunting & Fishing Equipment
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1188.xml


Also, don't forget about the new rules on lighters and matches:

LIGHTERS

Carry-on Rules

As of April 14, 2005, you are no longer allowed to bring lighters in carry-on luggage or on your person.

Checked Baggage Rules

As always, ALL fueled lighters are banned from checked baggage for safety reasons. Lighters without fuel are not considered hazardous material and therefore are permitted in unlimited quantities. Tip: Double-check your checked baggage for fueled lighters and your carry-on baggage and pockets for all lighters before arriving at the airport. Because of federal laws and operational considerations, TSA cannot return any prohibited items voluntarily abandoned at the checkpoint. Your airline is responsible for taking possession and disposing of all hazardous material.

MATCHES

Matches are not permitted in your checked baggage due to safety regulations, but up to four books of matches are allowed in your carry-on baggage or on your person. For safety reasons, strike anywhere matches are prohibited at all times from carry-on and checked baggage.

From:
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_multi_image_with_table_0099.xml


-Bob F.
 
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I sure feel a lot safer now knowing that I can't light up a smoke anymore (note sarcasm)

Both times were honestly inadvertent but I carried on a coat strapped to my day pack all the way to Almaty, Kazakstan with 3 shotgun shells in an inside pocket & came through 3 different countries security systems back from Mongolia with 3 live 7mm shells in the pocket of the same coat strapped to the same day pack.

Mike


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I wonder if a scope in it's detachable rings is considered a "firearms part". I wouldn't think so, but you can never tell how the rules will be interpreted in various places. My plan was to handcarry my scopes in my carry-on, but if they're considered "parts" then I may have to switch them to my checked baggage. Anybody have any experience with this?
 
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As an interesting aside, in Bucharest, the security X-ray for CHECKED baggage is BEFORE you reach the check-in counter. Honor system that your "checked" bags are really going to be checked!!! I saw this post-9/11, but they may have changed it.

I had to promise not to put my knife in my carry on...

Fun place, Romania.

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Posts: 444 | Location: Georgia | Registered: 07 November 2001Reply With Quote
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It would be nice if US Customs got on the same page as TSA. A word of advice. Print the TSA regulations (which state that ammunition and firearm can be carried in the same locked hardsided case). Take them with you. Have them ready in case of challenges.

In Atlanta, the nice customs officer told me that my ammunition would have to be removed from my gun case and packed in a separate locked container. I whipped out the regulations from TSA, and also those from the Delta website, and she backed off and told me I would be OK. I wish our government bureaucracies could be so nice as to get together on one set of regs.


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Posts: 853 | Location: St. Thomas, Pennsylvania, USA | Registered: 08 January 2004Reply With Quote
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If the firearms container must be locked and only the passenger has the key/combination, does that mean they MUST contact you to open it?
Peter.


Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong;
 
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Peter,

Absolutely not. They may open your bag at any time they wish. They may cut the locks if they wish. Some folks include an extra lock inside with a note for just that purpose. Why would you assume that they have to/need to contact you?


Mike

Legistine actu quod scripsi?

Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.




What I have learned on AR, since 2001:
1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken.
2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps.
3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine.
6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not.
10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact.
11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores.
12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence.
13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances.
 
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MIke, it was a kind of rhetorical question. I knew the answer already, based on previous threads on this forum!
Peter.


Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong;
 
Posts: 10515 | Location: Jacksonville, Florida | Registered: 09 January 2004Reply With Quote
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The only reason they would have to cut the lock on "any" checked bag would be to inspect it and as they have already checked your firearm what reason would they have to check it again?

In addition, and I know it is a leap in faith to think TSA employees think, don't you think it would be awfully dumb (and irresponsible) of them to break into a case with firearms....inspect it again and then put it back into the system unlocked. I've got to beleive they are breaking at least one law by doing this.


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Most of these regs ought to be common sense, but it is good to see them all written down in one place for clarity.
 
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Try this out:

http://www.ebags.com/travel_accessories/travel_locks/ca...8&end_keywords=locks


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