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On 15 October 2018 at 23:06 our AR-darling Kathi posted on the African Hunting forum that African Leaders wants a donation of $ 1 billion to “save the African elephants”. Nice reading, until I got to one specific line, and then I really started thinking. Maybe not thinking very clearly, but at least attempting to do so. I quote: “Hungry villagers bear the brunt of the elephant's appetite, whilst countries who have eliminated the indigenous animal's threats to their people demand conservation action.” A whole swarm of questions come to mind: (1) Where are the “hungry villagers”? The African presidents that I know about will only admit that their people go hungry if they are standing with a beggars bowl in front of a potential donor. Note that I’m not disputing the fact that the inhabitants of rural villages that live in close proximity to large concentrations of wild elephants does suffer from the generally crop destructive feeding habits of crop raiding elephants. However I wonder if these villages are in South Africa where the Government has prohibited the Nature Conservation authorities from properly managing the elephant population in the game reserves? For the “hungry villagers” in South Africa I have a word of advice: Vote for better informed politicians’ who will allow the scientific advisors to the Nature Conservation departments to do their job as best as they can. (2) Exactly how did those countries that have “eliminated the indigenous animal's threats to their people demand” achieve this noble ideal? Could be by proper conservation measures to maintain their elephant populations at such numbers that they do not need to break out of the reserves and go and raid the crops planted by the poor hungry villagers? Perhaps by the senior government officials aiding and being part of poaching and ivory smuggling syndicates that have largely depleted the elephant populations to within (or below ) the carrying capacity of the nature reserves in the country? In the first mentioned alternative they already have (proper) conservation, so are they demanding that other range states do the same? If they have achieved the blissful state of villagers living near elephant populations being safe form the predations of their crops by hungry herds of elephants by being involved in, or being unable to prevent, poaching to significantly reduce elephant numbers, why would they cry out for conservation? The future of African elephants is safe if all African voters can be taught that the type of measures proposed by the likes of Ron Thomson and True Green Alliance and John Jackson and other scientists. The safe future of free ranging wild African elephants does not lie in donating millions, to be specific one billion US $’s, to practice quasi-conservation measures that western non-range states’ citizens, as led in many cases by anti-hunting and animal rightists brigades, think will get the most money donated to their falsely presented causes. Three cheers for Ron Thomson and the new President of Botswana. Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | ||
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I have been going to Africa for 36 years. The only change I see is the fact that the countries I visit have gone backwards. Not forward! A job that was being well done by one person has been replaced by at least half a dozen individuals - most are busy on their cell phones! African leaders need to start forward thinking to improve their lot. Not be so greedy all they think about is filling their pockets while they can! | |||
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So they should be different from all the other politicians in the world?! USMC Retired DSC Life Member SCI Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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The one’s Saeed refers to are worse than most. | |||
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The whole thing is an "in your face" move .. similar to the global warming demands where undeveloped countries are demanding money to comply with CO2 measures. Every country has a responsibility to conserve the wildlife particular to that country. And to pay for it themselves as far as possible. I would suggest trophy hunting as the cornerstone of their conservation strategy, followed closely by a sound economic policy that will lead to lower rural populations and slower population growth. It's very ironic that all of these so-called independent nations reject colonialism and foreign "interference" but accept foreign aid with enthusiasm. I don't think, for one second, that throwing money at these countries will help wildlife. It will all end up enriching politicians and some of it will probably fund poaching of endangered species. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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^ Yep, all of it would wind up in the Swiss bank accounts of the leaders. They might even use some of it to finance their ivory poaching operations! Once they received the first monies, it would be a never ending thing. BH63 Hunting buff is better than sex! | |||
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Of course. Inversely proportional to their colonial status... USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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I always found it interesting, I am 3 visits to Zim that the departure tax was a US $20 bill. Not the equivalent of $20 US but a US $20 note. Gosh I wonder why. On my second trip, an unfortunate German fellow did not have one and the currency exchange booth had "gone to lunch" so I just gave him a "Jackson". Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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One time getting into Zimbabwe, I gave my passport and 20 dollar bill to the immigration officer, he gait back to me and said “free entry for our Arab friends”! That was the time Qaddafi was friends with Mugabe  | |||
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