This PBS documentary airs tonight, check your local listings: Frontline-World:Zimbabwe

Watching it now.

It's all the honky's fault.

I just watched it. A very well-done report on the current state of Zimbabwe and the reason for their strife: Robert Mugabe. They held no punches and left no doubt that Mugabe was the cause of it all.

A very interesting piece for sure.

Many thanks for the heads up. Excellent piece on what one person has done to the country.

Soon it will be China's problem. Can you say Moo Sho Kudu!!

Thanks for the heads up. I will be watching it in 45 minutes.

That was all fine and good, but where was the interviews with the whites that lost their farms, those same whites, who fed the country and employed the blacks. Maybe they could have interviewed the next of kin of those whites that have been killed.
I would like to have seen them ask all those they interviewed if they would like to see the white government back.
But what can you expect from PBS, Will's right it's Honkeys fault.

Isn't it interestimg that they failed to mention that Mugabe inherited a country that was the "bread basket" of southern Africa, and not his doing?

I thought it was well done, hopefully a lot of people saw it!

i am ashamed over the goverments in norway who has been supporting the hyenabait Mugabe for years. if the socialist clowns hadn`t been giving him cash , the people would have stood up to him or mercs had disposed of him for years ago.

Overall, it was a decent report through the prism of the man on the street. However, one comment made by the journalist regarding the land seizures, that the land "wasn't given to ordinary Zimbabweans, but to the political elite" irritates me. I suspect her view is that the land grab would have been okay as long as the loot was distributed "correctly".

Very well done. I am sure that many of those poeple have now risked their very own lives and livelihood for being a part of the report. Makes one very sad and angry that Uncle Bob can continue to exploit his people and Zimbabwe, and that South Africans and others look at him as a "father" or hero and thus, will not take any steps to see that he is removed or steps down.

Why do they call Mugabe a 'liberator'? Because he liberated Rhodesia from prosperity?

Probably for the very same reasons that they have called Ho Chi Minh, Chairman Mao, Lenin, and others of that same persuasion "Liberators".

They were Liberators..But none of them became
rich,screwing over their own Country like Mugabe.

Long Live Rhodesia
God Bless,Ian Smith,

They were oppressors, not liberators.

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Originally posted by 4t1mag:
They were Liberators.

Saying that Mao, Lenin and the like were liberators, is very far from reality, and has been documented so many times that I'm suprised anyone is still fooled by the leftist propoganda...

I think a closer analogy to Mugabe's rule might be Cambodia’s Khmer Ruge and Pol Pot. Albeit without the genocide.

When it comes to geneocide, the rankings are
1) Mao 60-100 million
2) Stalin 20 Million
3) Hitler 6 Million
4) Pol Pot 1 Million

Mugembe just hasn't started yet, but is starting to alienate his power base of war veterens by not giving them the land he promised and the killing is on the way. He won't get very far on this list because he simply doesn't have the population or border control to achieve a high enough number.

A good news site to follow the Zim situation:
http://www.news24.com/News24/Africa/Zimbabwe/Home/

Watched it, and it was very interesting. Was surprised at the 85% literacy rate early in Mugabe's rule. Was also surprised someone hasn't whacked him. Surely that can't be that big of a chore?

It made me appreciate again the class act of George Washington's move to decline a kingship and to step down after 8 years as the first US President.

More leaders and politicians should realize that the play will keep going after they step off the stage - especially when leaving most of the decisions to the people.

I think our Congress should have the same sort of tradition, and if they don't develope it, we should pass term limits (let's say 12 years for the House and 18 for the Senate). Nothing is as embarassing as totering old fools wandering around proclaiming how great they are (and getting ever richer)- Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, and even, at one time, ol' Strom Thurman - pitiful.

Mao's Cultural Revolution sent my wife's family out to the "countryside" to be re-educated. Their sin was that my wife's father taught college.

The China that Mao "liberated" suffered from curruption among local governors, which bred warlords, famine, overtaxation... The major cities and rich were plagued by opium use, and all the worst parts of what western society could sell. But "liberation" implies that the result of the action is freedom -- and 60-100 million people killed bear witness to anything but liberation.

Dan

Mugabe did his genocide when he first took office. Just ask the opposition party in his first election.

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Originally posted by 4t1mag:
They were Liberators..But none of them became
rich,screwing over their own Country like Mugabe.

Do you really believe either one of those statements?

Dave

Any sensible and reasonable individual knows that they WERE NOT LIBERATORS, and the above numerous posts prove that very easily and convincingly.

All of the pioneering black African leaders, Mugabe included, absolutely were liberators.

After years of struggle and often armed conflict, they won first class citizenship for their people, people who had been denied basic human rights, such fundamental rights as the right to vote, and the guaranty of equal treatment under the law, for as long as the colonial powers had held sway.

Many, if not most of these African leaders, were corrupt and self-serving, not to say megalomaniacs, but at least at the outset, they were liberators nonetheless.

Democracy requires majority rule. As a practical real-world matter, that means black governments where blacks are in the majority, white governments where whites are in the majority, etc., etc. Put more bluntly for an American audience, it means the same in Harare as it does in Detroit, Atlanta, Newark, etc.

Democracy is no insurance against mistakes, stupidity or corruption, and where it is young and untried, democracy is easily subverted.

In Harare, of course, democracy was the first casualty of independence, since once elected, the "strong man" Mugabe refused to subject himself to the whims of the voters.

Is that an indictment of blacks? Of democracy? No. It is an indictment of Mugabe -- and his cronies. Mugabe has squandered his legacy as a liberator of his people, as the grantor and, as he could have been, the guarantor of democratic values.

Mugabe has proven himself to be a Marxist-Leninist, elitist and dictatorial swine. His "liberation" rhetoric is a mask, a tissue of lies. He will forever be branded one of history's despots and tyrants.

But make no mistake. Mugabe absolutely was a liberator.