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Posts: 11017 | Registered: 14 December 2000Reply With Quote
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He's my hero too! I must have read "African Game Trails" five times.

Thanks for the pix
 
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I had no bloody idea who you were talking about untill I saw the last pic [Big Grin]

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Thanks for the post. He's my hero as well. I've done extensive research on his life as a soldier, hunter, conservationist, etc. You may notice he's quoted on my byline. People ask me all the time what it means. The following is the rest of the quote. I think it's more relevant today than ever, in this day of 'sensitivity training'. "The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities" - Teddy Roosevelt
 
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Not to make anyone angry but I have read some articles that says that Teddy Roosevelt was racist (didn't like indians)!

If you are able to read swedish you can read this text:
http://w1.155.telia.com/~u15508965/kid34.pdf

And if you read between the lines in this text you can see that he have some strange opinions about indians:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/resources/archives/seven/w67trmem/w67tr07.htm

Even the sun has spots
 
Posts: 92 | Location: Jamtland, Sweden | Registered: 26 March 2003Reply With Quote
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Thanks for the photos Nick, TR is also my hero. I arranged for his following quote to be engraved on a marble monument as a gift from the 200th session to the FBI National Academy in Quantico. It is now proudly displayed near the entrance.

"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whos face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who errs and comes short again...who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at least knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and at worst, if he fails, at least fails while doing greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat".
 
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

---Teddy Roosevelt
 
Posts: 287 | Location: Florida USA | Registered: 23 February 2002Reply With Quote
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Nickudu,

Thanks. Awesome pics! TR should be everybody's hero.

I've enjoyed Edmund Morris' bios of TR, but find Morris wholely out of touch with hunting!

--QD
 
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Originally posted by Jamt:
Not to make anyone angry but I have read some articles that says that Teddy Roosevelt was racist (didn't like indians)!

If you are able to read swedish you can read this text:
http://w1.155.telia.com/~u15508965/kid34.pdf

And if you read between the lines in this text you can see that he have some strange opinions about indians:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/resources/archives/seven/w67trmem/w67tr07.htm

Even the sun has spots

Jamt,

Everyone knows that Teddy Roosevelt lived in a different time when the most enlightened men (presidents!) had ideas we don't teach our kids any more. Other than being a product of his time, Roosevelt also had direct experience with the savage Indians of his day, something our generation will never have, even with the benefit of hindsight.

Roosevelt's nephew (Franklin, icon of the Left in this country) had some ideas about the Japanese that were more mainstream in his day than today.

While I do not hold Franklin D. Roosevelt in high esteem, I can understand how a person living in his day could hold the attitudes that led him to intern the Japanese residents of the Western United States. Here were a (self-described) race of people who bred fanatical kamikaze pilots and made a sport of impaling Chinese babies on the ends of bayonets. It was completely reasonable to view Japanese people with suspicion.

H. C.

BTW, I don't read Swedish, but thank you, I did very much enjoy the second link (written by Roosevelt). He clearly points out the error of the racist in this piece. He lays any blame for bad behavior on bad individuals (red or white), not on a particular race.

It is also clear that Roosevelt was not the extreme egalitarian that it is fashionable to be today.

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Posts: 3691 | Location: West Virginia | Registered: 23 May 2001Reply With Quote
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I quote from Jamt's link:

There is always danger in meeting a band of young bucks in lonely, uninhabited country &emdash;those that have barely reached manhood being the most truculent, insolent, and reckless. A man meeting such a party runs great risk of losing his horse, his rifle, and all else he has. This has happened quite frequently during the past few years to hunters or cowboys who have wandered into the debatable territory where our country borders on the Indian lands; and in at least one such instance, that took place three years ago, the unfortunate individual lost his life as well as his belongings. But a frontiersman of any experience can generally "stand off" a small number of such assailants, unless he loses his nerve or is taken by surprise.

If we could expect the similar from some inhabitants of the mountains and forests where we hunt, I guess we all would have some prejudices towards these inhabitants.
 
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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the grey twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."

---Teddy Roosevelt

I fear I am getting a bit off topic now, but when I read the quotation above, I at once thought of another quotation, from a poem by G. K. Chesterton. I guess that many of you would regard Chesterton as a terrible leftie [Big Grin] but I still think that you would agree with his description of many of those who rule our modern society.

They have given us into the hands of the new unhappy lords,
Lords without anger and honour, who dare not carry their swords.
They fight by shuffling papers; they have bright dead alien eyes;
They look at our labour and laughter as a tired man looks at flies.
And the load of their loveless pity is worse than the ancient wrongs,
Their doors are shut in the evenings; and they know no songs.
 
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Quickdraw, I also read and enjoyed the Morris bios. My impression of TR after that is that he is a great warrior and the best wartime president one could wish for, but his obsession with "fairness" in economics makes me want to bury him during the peace, dig him up again when it is time for war. -Fred

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Nickudu,

Thanks. Awesome pics! TR should be everybody's hero.

I've enjoyed Edmund Morris' bios of TR, but find Morris wholely out of touch with hunting!

--QD

 
Posts: 207 | Location: Nicolet National Forest, WI, USA | Registered: 21 January 2002Reply With Quote
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Marterius:

The quote about "young bucks who have barely reached manhood being insolent, truculent and reckless" could just as well be applied to many big cities of the world today. The only difference is that current laws won't let us "stand off" [Big Grin] the "young bucks" of the area. I am not sure it is racist (and don't care, that was then (just past the day when "A good Indian is a dead Indian"), today is now with a different set of perceptions.

One can view the American/Indian relationship in many lights as it evolved over time as well, and there were many different tribes of Indians. But the fact is, it was, for many years, an all out war for land, with little quarter asked and less given on each side. As it had always been between many tribes. The Indians lost.
 
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Only a total whack job would hunt African game with a lever action, especially in the anemic 405 Winchester. [Wink]

Kidding of course, but now it won't be so fun for someone else.

Great pics, Nick. I loved African Game Trails too.

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Posts: 7122 | Location: The Rock (southern V.I.) | Registered: 27 February 2001Reply With Quote
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Canuck,
I found my 3 volume leatherized set from Charles Scribner's Sons at a local garage sale for $6.00.

African Game Trails, Through The Brazilian Wilderness and The Rough Riders
 
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You dirty dawg. What a nice score that was!!!

I have yet to read Through the Brazilian Wilderness and The Rough Riders. I am sure they will be great when I get to them though.

Cheers,
Canuck
 
Posts: 7122 | Location: The Rock (southern V.I.) | Registered: 27 February 2001Reply With Quote
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Thanks, Nick. My "hero" too.

When I was down San Antonio way, I found his complete works in a used book store, in a 26 volume set (New York, Charles Scribner's Sons, The National Edition, 1926). I have also snagged all the bio's such as those of Morris, and all the trade edition reprints of TR books.

I visited Oyster Bay, loaded up in the souvenir shop book corner too, toured the Sagamore Hill homestead and saw his cape buffalo mount and many priceless artfacts. I saw the bedroom where he died in his sleep. Then I paid my respects at his grave down the road, there on Long Island.

He was the most incredible human being that ever lived, well deserving of hero worship. My kind of guy.
 
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TR stands in the very upper reaches of our presidential personages. He was an intellect of the very highest order; he was born sickly and weak and by force of will became a very physically powerful man who was a boxing champion at Harvard and pushed himself physically for the remainder of his life; he was a recognized, published ornithologist when still a teenager; he was a reformer who pushed through much of the legislation which cleaned up the food processing and drug industry; he was singularly responsible for the Panama Canal; he hosted the first Black man to eat dinner in the White House; he led our country into a place of international prominence winning the Noble Peace Prize for his negotiation of a peace to the Russian-Japanese War; he sought out combat at close quarters and pronouced the experience "Bully;" he broke with his party when he felt it was wrong in its treatment of the common man; and towards the end of his life, disagreed with Wilson's neutrality in WWI. He was in sum, a man's man of great personal bravery, intellect, virtue and morality. He may be our greatest presidents, surplanted by Washington only because Washington was "the Father of Our Country."

His hunting was frequently a scientific collecting venture, and his trophies formed the basis for the Smithsonian natural history collection. His trip down the Amazon nearly killed him, and some say he never fully physically recovered from this adventure.

Having said all this, I find the tragedy of his loosing his beloved first wife in childbirth and equally adored mother within 24 hours of one another one of the greatest tragedies to befall any of our leaders.

He was deeply depressed for a period and left public life for a number of years during which he ranched in the Dakotas. Thereafter, his brashness was at times almost suicidal. He never spoke of his first wife again after recovering from his depression not even to her daughter, Alice. He forced himself back into life, and overcame this heart breaking event through force of personal will to accomplish all that he is known for today. He was a truly incredible person.
 
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"Bully" post Ku-Dude .... and what greater Conservationist?
 
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I would also like to add that he was the most influential secretary of the navy in our country's existence. He put Mahan's theory to practice and is largely responsible for starting our navy on the path to it's current position.
 
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A Collection of Quotes
from Teddy Roosevelt
Contributed by Terence Moore

All the resources we need are in the mind.

Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.

Do what you can, with what you have, where you are.

Far and away the best prize that life offers is the chance to work hard at work worth doing.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, than to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer too much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.

Freedom from effort in the present merely means that there has been effort stored up in the past.

Get action. Seize the moment. Man was never intended to become an oyster.

I am only an average man but, by George, I work harder at it than the average man.

In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing. The worst thing you can do is nothing.

It is better to be faithful than famous.

It is impossible to win the great prizes of life without running risks, and the greatest of all prizes are those connected with the home.

I think there is only one quality worse than hardness of heart and that is softness of head.

It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed. In this life we get nothing save by effort.

If I have erred, I err in company with Abraham Lincoln.

I want to see you shoot the way you shout.

I wish to preach not the doctrine of ignoble ease, but the doctrine of strenuous life.

Keep your eyes on the stars, and your feet on the ground.

Nine-tenths of wisdom is being wise in time.

No man is above the law and no man below it.

No man is justified in doing evil on the grounds of expedience.

No man is worth his salt who is not ready at all times to risk his body, to risk his well-being, to risk his life in a great cause.

The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it. The country's honor must be upheld at home and abroad.

The country needs and, unless I mistake its temper, the country demands bold, persistent, experimentation. It is common sense to take a method and try it, if it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.

The government is us; we are the government, you and I.

The men and women who have the right ideals ... are those who have the courage to strive for the happiness which comes only with labor and effort and self-sacrifice, and those whose joy in life springs in part from power of work and sense of duty.

The nation behaves well if it treats the natural resources as assets which it must turn over to the next generation increased, and not impaired, in value.

The only man who never makes a mistake is the man who never does anything.

The only tyrannies from which men, women and children are suffering in real life are the tyrannies of minorities.

There has never yet been a man in our history who led a life of ease whose name is worth remembering.

There is a homely adage which runs "Speak softly and carry a big stick you will go far."

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.

The most important single ingredient in the formula of success is knowing how to get along with people.

To educate a man in mind, and not in morals, is to educate a menace to society.

We need the iron qualities that go with true manhood. We need the positive virtues of resolution, of courage, of indomitable will, of power to do without shrinking the rough work that must always be done.

Whenever you are asked if you can do a job, tell 'em, "Certainly, I can!"
Then get busy and find out how to do it.

When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.'

When you play, play hard; when you work, don't play at all.

and:

Nobody can ever make you feel inferior without your consent. -- which is from Eleanor Roosevelt, not Teddy.

 
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<Terry P>
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My favorite president...I have a copy of African Game trails. Now that was a safari. I couldn't believe the way he hunted hippo in a dugout. Talk about grit.

If I recall he got very sick when down in Brazil.
Thanks for the pictures and the quotes. Just good stuff.
Terry
 
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I have a copy of the "Far Better it is to dare mighty things....." quote on my desk. Had it there for 25 years. Being a builder and developer, I am constantly faced with deals that require considerable financial risk. Several deals that I, at first, wanted to shrink away from, came to fruition because of Teddy's words. That does not mean that I don't pass on some deals -- I do. It just means that I don't let a good deal go because of unfounded fear.

As to Teddy being racist, one of the biggest mistakes we make is to take the character of a person in history and examine it under the microscope of the present. No one, save Jesus Christ himself, will stand up to that test.

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