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This made me curious. What believes to be a good shooter/shoot?? Can you give a few examples?? Rino | |||
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quoting a couple of PHs. Bruno Debelle "I can make it with a guy who can hardly walk, impossible mission with the one who misses all (talking about hunting chamois and moufflon in high mountains) Herve Houdebine (CAR), I am not too pissed by hunters bringing a Blaser, statiscally they haven't enough opportunities to have the Blaser jam. Herve, "too many hunters are overgunned." Tristan Peacock (hunting leopard with hounds)" European hunters are far better shots than Americans" talking about the ability to shoot a charging leopard. The Americans will shoot no end as soon as the leopard appear not letting the leopard come close. Europeans are adept of driven hunts and know how to shoot a fast moving target and know that closer is better. Touffic (Burkina) " I never allow any shooting beyond 100m, 50m is perfect" ,what set poor shots in an easier situation. J B de Runz Be careful when blindly following the masses ... generally the "m" is silent | |||
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What's a good shot? The guy kills 10 for 10 is not found behind every tree, but how about the guy that only shoots 90%? Is the 80% the threshold of poor shooting? | |||
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Onviously never hunted in the Western USA... | |||
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Or South Carolina beanfields... | |||
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 Here ya go mate......... G5 howitzer From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search G5 155 mm Howitzer G5 on display Type Howitzer Place of origin South Africa Service history In service 1983– Used by Operators Wars South African Border War, Iran–Iraq War Production history Designer Lyttelton Engineering Works Designed 1976–1983 Manufacturer Denel Produced 1982–Present Specifications Weight 13,750 kg (30,313 lbs) Length 9.5 m (31 ft) Barrel length 6.975 m (45 calibers) Width 3.3 m (11 ft) Height 2.1 m (7 ft) Crew 8 soldiers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shell high explosive Caliber 155 mm (6.10 in) Breech Semi-automatic interrupted-screw type Carriage split trail Elevation -3° to +75° Traverse Up to 15°: 82° Above 15°: 65° Rate of fire 3 rounds/minute Muzzle velocity 897 m/s (2,943 ft/s) Maximum range 30,000 m (standard) 39,000 m (base bleed) 50,000 m (VLAP)[1] Feed system Breech-loaded The G5 is a South African towed howitzer of 155 mm calibre manufactured by Denel. Initial versions of it were based on the 45-calibre GC-45 howitzer designed by Gerald Bull, though it has gone through many modifications and variations to reach its latest model: the 52-calibre G5-2000. It is mounted on a slightly-modified version of a towed chassis design by NORICUM, which also includes a small APU to allow it to dig itself in and move short distances at up to 16 km/h. Using the normal Extended Range, Full Bore ammunition the normal range is 39 km, which can be extended to about 53 km with the use of base bleed or rocket assisted rounds. It is regarded as one of the most potent artillery pieces on the modern battlefield. The G5 gun has been placed on an OMC 6×6 chassis to produce the fully self-propelled G6 howitzer, and won major export sales in this form to the United Arab Emirates and Oman. In response to a request from India it has also been tested on the back of a 4×4 wheeled truck, a combination known as the T5-2000. It has also been fitted into a turret that can be placed on any suitable vehicle. The turret is marketed as the T6 which has already been fitted on the T-72. Contents [hide] 1 Production history 2 Variants 3 Operators 4 Combat history 5 See also 6 References 7 External links [edit] Production history The South African Army at the start of the Angolan conflict was equipped with WW2-era artillery pieces, notable the G1 (25pdr) and the G2 (5.5 inch or 140 mm). With the help of the Canadian scientist Gerald Bull and his company, Space Research Corporation, they developed the GC-45 howitzer. As a stopgap the G3 155 mm gun (American WWII vintage M-2 "Long Tom") and the G4 155 mm gun (Israeli SOLTAM M-68) was secretly operated. Deliveries of the G5 (developed from the GC-45) started in 1982. In 2002, Denel unveiled a 52-calibre version known as the G5-2000, which featured greatly enhanced range and accuracy over the 45-calibre version. [edit] Variants G5 Mk I G5 Mk II G5 Mk III G5-2000: 52-calibre gun [edit] Operators South Africa Israel Iraq: Saddam Hussein's army operated about 100 G5's, but these have probably all been destroyed or abandoned since the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Iran Malaysia Mexico Oman An ex-Iraqi G-5 on display at the U.S. Army Field Artillery Museum, Ft. Sill, Oklahoma [edit] Combat history Angola: 1982–1987 Israel: Beqaa Valley, 1986 Iran–Iraq War: 1980–1988 [edit] See also Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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That's a girly gun Mate...we have the M110A2 just laying around in neighborhood museums here...  | |||
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The poor G5 and G6 everything from the RSA is shit luckily there is guys that buys our shit like our wines,fruit ext. what about the Rooivalk  everything developed while this country had more sanctions than Zim and it still grew and was self sufficient. Luckily it changed we have become a dumping site for others shit now"Buy land they have stopped making it"- Mark Twain | |||
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All those "Dumb Guns" are history now no matter who made them...wait! The Chinese still use them... | |||
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okay getting back to guys shooting abilities, my brother in law (Call him A) was a SA indoor shooting competitor and I have always considered him to be an outstanding shot. Last year we were hunting on a family members farm near Boshoff (Close to Kimberly) none the less myself and A went off hunting paring up together, (I left my rifle at the farm) after four hours we were in position to shoot a gemsbuck - the range was 185m and A lined it up, at the report it was obvious that it was a bad shot, the gemsbuck was hit in the front right knee and immediately took off to the nearest koppie (Hill) which was approx 3 kms away at a speed that showed no slowing down, and as in the other thread, shoot agian, i frantically started saying shoot agian, boom, miss, shoot agian, boom miss, shoot agian, boom flesh wound. at which time 3 shots had not found their target, the buck was running away which offered an easy shot as opposed to from right to left or visa versa. A at that point gave up and I called the vehicle and we followed the general direction in which the Gemsbuck took off, we caught up to it and I had to pull the handbrake as A was unreluctent to shoot. A refused to get out of the vehicle and had to be pushed out to finish something that he started. A blammed the rifle saying that it was shooting out, we proceeded to put up a paper target at 100m and to our astonishment to rifle grouped (2cm) one inch high.... Just shows some people can shoot at paper and should stick to paper target. Needless to say after a similar hunt this year with him we ended up chasing a blue wildebees for hour I refuse to even share a camp with him | |||
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Out of context gentlemen, this statement is about hunting dense jungle in Burkina Arild Iversen. | |||
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For some second I translate the title of the topic "in how many people can shoot at the same time at PH command" like an old military squad.bye Stefano Waidmannsheil | |||
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No mere human can shoot well day after day and never screw up. Anyone who says he never misses - or knows someone who never misses -- is a damned liar. Bill Quimby | |||
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I just read a great quote along those line in the book the Hunting Blackbeards. It was something along these lines.... "There are only two kinds of men who have never missed an animal, beginners and bull shitters, I'll let you decide which one you are". Great quote! | |||
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Dave, If that's a 25-20 Winchester Centre-fire (WCF) you have there, I can let you have a set of dies and a whole bunch of new and once-fired cases, if you'd be prepared to pay to get it to you from Johannesburg. | |||
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OK; give me the specs on a good 155mm system  The G5 was most famous for it's range and rate of fire. It sure ain't shit, but of course you hillbillies will have something better Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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Slightly off topic, but my experience guiding duck hunters in the past revealed the good wingshots were really good and the bad shooters were really bad. About 1:1 ratio too. Hunting: Exercising dominion over creation at 2800 fps. | |||
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SEE AMERICAN CLUNKER HERE: | |||
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That's why God created Dillon. When I bought my .375 in '06 for my first buff hunt, ammo wasn't overly expensive. I immediately invested in dies, etc. for the caliber. It paid off in spades. I have fully recovered the cost of the equipment tenfold and shoot the rifle regularly. Started practicing today for a July hunt and will likely run 800 rounds through the rifle before I go. Did that last time and it worked. Sure beats buying factory ammo. | |||
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Nah. Just vizualize Namibia with beans everywhere... | |||
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Being a good shot has something to do with natural ability I think. Since I was a kid, I've wanted to be a great shot with a "deer" rifle (which in the States is the correct way to say high-powered rifle if you are over 40). I'm not a great shot and never will be. My strength is that I don't wound game and allow them to get away. I just don't, period. If I hit them I find them and finish it. On the other hand since I first picked up a shotgun, I have been a great shot. I can't explain it. I've never been out-shot on a hunt that I can recall. At trap, skeet or sporting clays, not quite as good, but better than 90% of the people I've faced. I am also an excellent shot with one particular S&W Model 57 (.41 Mag) on deer-sized game. It is magic. I pull the trigger and they drop dead. Why can't I bring that level of competence to a high-powered rifle? I shoot a 25.06, .308, 300 WSM and 375 H&H equally well, better than most, in the field (not so hot on paper), but not nearly as good as I would like. Beyond 250 yards I feel I'm just throwing lead. I've made some great shots out to about 325 yards, but I'm always surprised when it happens. I think some people, and probably me, just have this inherent lack of confidence with a rifle when they are not in their "zone". The funny thing is that there is the opposite of that. I've known many hunters that had no clue that they were totally incompetent with their weapon. They thought they could make shots they had no possibility of pulling off. They pulled the trigger in cases where there was an 85% chance of a miss, 14% chance they would wound and lose the animal, and a 1% chance they might pull it off; but they went for it anyway. There is actually a third type hunter. I had one with me last weekend. He thinks every time he pulls the trigger he's hit the animal. He can't admit he's a rotten shot. The bullet will kick up dust three-foot to the left, and he's sure the animal was hit and wants to spend an hour or two with everyone looking for his game. He also had the irritating habit of saying I had missed each of my shots at paper or game. He would insist until I picked the game out of the grass, or recovered the paper. What's with that? We're a funny bunch of ego-driven bastards. As a group, I don't think we, guest hunters, can be that good or PHs wouldn't be telling me how many follow-up shots they are making on game each year. I was having trouble getting over an easy missed shot on a sable this year while the PH and I were fishing for tigers. The PH said, think of it this way. You were the first hunter I've had this year that I personally didn't have to make a follow-up shot on to keep from losing game. I felt pretty good after that. | |||
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