I have watched many videos with Gordon Cundill, of Hunters Africa, and recently finished his new book by Safari Press, "Fragments of Africa". I was informed by an individual in Reno, who actually knows him personally, that Gordon was discovered embezzling from Hunters Africa, and kicked out of Botswana. Does anyone know any more about this ?

I wouldn't touch that one with a 10 python!

I remember reading a brief report in "hunting report" about 6 or 8 years ago. Never saw or heard another thing.

This was a very recent posting on a women's hunting website:

From: Noel Orsak
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:33 AM
To: womenhunters@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Women Hunters] Re: Need Advice on African Hunts

I have only been to South Africa one time to hunt and worked with a PH back here in the US to book other clients. Turns out all PH's are not the most reputable folks. I would definitely talk to references.

P.S. The PH I would recommend you NOT use is named Ian Cundill Dodds with Hunters Africa. While his Uncle, Gordon Cundill is a fabulous person that built the business through the glory days, the nephew is someone not to be
trusted.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Take it for what it is worth.

What did you think of the book? I was disappointed, and thought it was boring.

here we go with the unsubsantiated gossip again!

I'll wait for some facts that I can believe, before I talk! BYE

Hi Mac

On this forum last year was a post to his website on PAC elephants in Gokwe north. Pitty the operator there didn't know about the hunts! Also, Mr Dobbs advertised himself as the PH. He isn't one in this country.

I'll try and find that post- but when it came up I decended on the operator and within 24hrs there were some fast retractions from Mr Dobbs and the add, went through three changes of location before being dropped!

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Originally posted by Ganyana:
Hi Mac

On this forum last year was a post to his website on PAC elephants in Gokwe north. Pitty the operator there didn't know about the hunts! Also, Mr Dobbs advertised himself as the PH. He isn't one in this country.

I'll try and find that post- but when it came up I decended on the operator and within 24hrs there were some fast retractions from Mr Dobbs and the add, went through three changes of location before being dropped!

What has this to do with GORDON CUNDILL?

Ian Cundill Dodds Posts on AR, maybe he should address the accusations against him.
I agree what does this have to do with his Uncle Gordon Cundill? CHEERS

Wolfgar.....I did not think "Fragments of Africa" was the best book I have purchased from Safari Press. I personally thought that Mr. Cundill was using the book to "get back" at anyone that he personally did not like. I was certainly surprised at the comments he made about the production of the Peter Capstick videos, in that if he knew he was not going to make any money, he would not have helped.

I have the book but have not yet read it but will, looking for the negative comments about PHC. I find it had to believe there are any as Fiona wrote the foreword to the book.

D.O.J. I was refering to page 207, 2nd paragraph. "I would do it for a client's own record but not for a nebulous financial advantage I never realized". This comment was made in reference to making the Capstick video series in Botswana. It is only my opinion, but I thought the comment was a little rude.

Ann, can you give me a link to the Women's Hunting Group?

Here it is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/womenhunters/

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Originally posted by DETCORD:
D.O.J. I was refering to page 207, 2nd paragraph. "I would do it for a client's own record but not for a nebulous financial advantage I never realized". This comment was made in reference to making the Capstick video series in Botswana. It is only my opinion, but I thought the comment was a little rude.

You guys have to realoze a few things about the Botswana video.

a - Gordon sees himself as one of the last remnants of the 'proper British PH'. His view is that even though he drinks your whiskey you don't drink his.

b - Peter was going through one of his periodic bouts with 'malaria' and the Gin and Tonic cure.

c - Peter was acting a bit 'over the top' in regards to his performance and for the most part wasn't pulling his share of the load.

d - Gordon was promised a nice sum of money, that he thought he deserved, for the use of his name and expertise. He didn't get it.

e - Dirk Uyss, the PH, does not have the best reputation in Southern Africa for honesty. (Not even the second best ) I haven't heard of him in years, he may even be dead or in jail by now.

f - The whole episode was a screw up from start to finish. The serious and proper PH vs. the anything but serious PH who was having a 'good time'.

Knowing both Peter and Gordon I will say this, for what it is worth. If I wanted to go 'Hunting in Africa', the old way I would go with Gordon. If I wanted to have a great time but maybe not get the best, or any game, I would go with Peter.

I doubt if Gordon would ever compliment you on a fart.

DETCORD, I think if I were you, based on the posts so far I'd go back and change the title of this string. As far as I can tell none of this has one thing to do with Gordon Cundill, and you do realize he is an atorney that specializes in international law! Because his nephew is a crook, has nothing to do with Gordon, so I think I'd rephrase some of my post if I were you, but then I'm not, sooooooo..................

Not to worry Mac, this isn't slander its a lad circle jerk of gossip!

AR is screwed up that was "ladies" not "lad", Saeed did it, not me!!

To all out there

MY correct name is IAN CUNDILL DODDS
I AM GORDON CUNDILLS NEPHEW and the current owner of hunters africa group.
As far as embezzling funds i find it hard to believe as Gordon still holds his botswana passport and still travels to Botswana freely
without hindrance.PLEASE INFORM ME OF MORE SO THAT I MAY ASK HIM DIRECTLY ABOUT IT, so that i may give a honest answer i would also love to know who the individual was in Reno who informed you, as i was there and know most of them from a very tender age and i know that all the hunters in the area that have been hunting for five years or less do not even know him personally.All of the old school know him well and would not say that behind his back but to each his own.ALL have a high regard for him and that is what i am told to my face directly i have been told he is a colourful character but that is Gordon if you know him as well as i do and that is for 34 years since the day i was born.
Peter and Gordon in those videos that were made i know for a fact they are still on sale today and niether Gordon or Fiona or one of us as FAMILY or business have seen a cent in recompense nearly ten years after the videos were made.Ken Wilson who sells them may be able answer your quetions directly.
As with hunting pac elephant in zimbabwe i know for a fact that one of the accurate reloading memebers is shooting 4 for a $1000 each ( not in the Gokwe area) another zimbabwean operator has offered it him and he took it, leaving them there for the locals and taking pictures. As for our advertisement in the gokwe area it was retracted simply because i do not believe that eles should NOT be shot for the same price as a 180 class whitetail, i am not registered as pro hunter in the zpha as we deal through one of the most reputable hunters there and guide clients in Zimbabwe with a registered pro hunter from the company with which i deal with. Again one of your members can vouch for this having hunted there with us and our hunter in 04 .The agent that posted the advertisement also forgot to add in the price of the elephant which in Zimbabwe now is $10000.00 for a exportable trophy bull.THAT IS WHY IT WAS RETRACTED he also had collected deposits on several and has refunded all the clients after i informed him of the mistake all funds have been refunded and the clients are all very happy with the outcome and understand that not every animal in Africa has to be exploited for the sake of a dollar.
As for Ann and Noel THANKYOU NOSH FOR SAYING THAT GORDON IS A GRAND GENTLEMAN AND THAT ALL SHOULD AVOID ME, SOMETIMES ONE QUESTIONS MOTIVES BUT TO HAVE YOU QUESTION MY MORALS WITHOUT EXPLANING YOURS WHILE I WAS AWAY ON SAFARI IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND,TO SAY THE LEAST AT WHY I WAS DISGUSTED WITH YOUR ACTIONS WOULD BE NORMAL EVEN YOU AGREED TO THAT WHEN WE SPOKE ABOUT IT ON THE PORCH THAT EVENING.I MAY HAVE NOT REPLIED TO ANY OF YOUR CALLS AND NOT SPOKEN TO YOU IN MY DISAPPOINTMENT, SO HOPEFULLY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS AND MAYBE YOUR INSECURITY NEEDS IT I FORGIVE YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID AND I DO STILL THINK OF YOU EVERDAY.
Ann thankyou for you addition and never having met you it is now a pleasure to do so hunting in the old school is a honourable pastime i am sure that if you met me and spoke to me directly in connection with Noel and who met my uncle on the side of the road as i was showing her some of what we do in Africa just previous to our or my decision to cancel our engagment
to be married for a whole 10 minutes and the reason as to why i moved some of my life to Texas.
Without continuing i have aired some dirty laundry but have summarised a lot off it.
Having just returned from guiding a group in Brazil this is all new to me so please forgive me one and all for not answering in full but i would be happy to do so at any time.
please contact me on my privaye email address huntersafricagroup@yahoo.com

Thankyou and my regards
Ian Cundill Dodds
The book was written by Gordon after nearly 50 years of hunting in Africa and spoke of many stories good and bad that happened to both client and Pro hunter alike.IT is not intended to point fingers as someone has said but merely to relate his personal experiences.One post has said that he found it boring, some books will have that effect on people and some have also said to me that they really enjoyed reading it.

Macd37

You beat me to it. I was just thinking the same thing when I saw your post. It suerely does Gordon a diservice.

465H&H

Thanks Mac
TIS the few that stand in the face of a gale
that shall remain standing whence the calm winds blow again.

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Macd37

You beat me to it. I was just thinking the same thing when I saw your post. It suerely does Gordon a diservice.

465H&H

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Originally posted by huntaf500:
To all out there

MY correct name is IAN CUNDILL DODDS
I AM GORDON CUNDILLS NEPHEW and the current owner of hunters africa group.
As far as embezzling funds i find it hard to believe as Gordon still holds his botswana passport and still travels to Botswana freely
without hindrance.PLEASE INFORM ME OF MORE SO THAT I MAY ASK HIM DIRECTLY ABOUT IT,

Now the horse is on line if you want the facts from the horse's mouth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is an interesting comment in Ian's post, re Ken Wilson. I have a friend who outfits in the UK. I have Ken's two UK videos one of England and one of Scotland. I ask Malcolm if he knew any of the people involved in the videos and he said yes and went on about them. I ask him if he had met Ken Wilson and he said no but had been contacted by him to do the videos in question. Ken's reprorted offer of compensation for his time and effort would be a copy of the video. Maybe that is what Gordon and Peter got, eh.

Mr. Ian
Nothing to do with the topic, it's not my business. I just want to verify if what I read was correct.

"Having just returned from guiding a group in Brazil this is all new to me so please forgive me one and all for not answering in full but i would be happy to do so at any time."

I imagine you want to say "guiding a group FROM Brazil"....

Just to clarify because some members may get confused as it is completely forbidden to hunt in Brazil, except for the locals and only in Rio Grande do Sul province, and this is only for a few birds and pigs.

L

Just to clarify to Ian and the rest of the board. I don't know Ian or his uncle, I have never met them and have no comment (good or bad) at all about them nor their outfit. I posted something someone else wrote on a public internet site and that's all. I do not know the person who made the post either.

I don't like backstabbing and did make available the person's name and link so you can take issue there if you have one.

Dear Lorenzo

I was guiding in brazil but unfortunately i think you have misinterpreted the size of our company and actually what we do.

To those of you who would like to know we were FISHING FOR PEACOCK BASS ON THE RIO NEGRO RIVER
ABOUT 50 MILES NORTH OF BARCELOS.
TO ADD SOME FLAVOUR AND JUICE TO THIS WE ALL HAD A GREAT TIME. THERE WERE 20 OF US IN THE GROUP.
STATS ARE LISTED BELOW
IN 6 FULL DAYS OF FIHING WE CAUGHT
656 PEACOCK BASS
TOTAL WEIGHT OF ALL FISH COMBINED
3560 POUNDS ALL RETURNED
SMALLEST CAUGHT WAS 2 POUNDS
LARGEST CAUGHT WAS 25 POUNDS

WE ALSO OFFER HUNTING AND FISHING IN
FOUR OTHER CONTINENTS AROUND THE WORLD.
WE ARE PASSIONATE SPORTSMAN AS YOU WILL DISCOVER LATER IN THE FORUM.
I HAVE OVER 600 PHOTOS OF FISH CAUGHT AND WILDLIFE PHOTOGRAPHED ETC ON DISC AND WOULD WILLINGLY SEND YOU ONE IF YOU WOULD PAY FOR THE POSTAGE.
I WILL SAY THIS HOWEVER THE FISHING WAS NOT THAT GOOD DUE THE RISE IN WATER LEVELS IN THE RIVER FROM HEAVY RAIN IN COLUMBIA AND BOLIVIA
THE HEADWATERS OF THE RIO NEGRO, BRAZIL IS A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY BUT AS I HAVE DISCIOVERED IN THE LAST 11 TRIPS THAT I HAVE DONE THERE IT IS A LAST FRONTIER, BUT WHO CAN SAY HOW MANY OF US HAVE FISHED IN THE AMAZON JUNGLE AND CAUGHT FISH LARGE AND SMALL TO BOOT.

THANKS AND REGARDS
IAN CUNDILL DODDS

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Originally posted by Lorenzo:
Mr. Ian
Nothing to do with the topic, it's not my business. I just want to verify if what I read was correct.

"Having just returned from guiding a group in Brazil this is all new to me so please forgive me one and all for not answering in full but i would be happy to do so at any time."

I imagine you want to say "guiding a group FROM Brazil"....

Just to clarify because some members may get confused as it is completely forbidden to hunt in Brazil, except for the locals and only in Rio Grande do Sul province, and this is only for a few birds and pigs.

L

Ian,
Thanks for answering, as in this forum most of us are hunters your previous post was a little confusing so thanks again.

BTW, I've been fly fishing the rio negro and it's something I highly reccomend.

L

MIDDAG MENEER
AS JY KAN AFRIKAANS PRAAT I WILL MAKE THIS SO EVERYONE GETS TO HEAR WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY.

KEN AND I MET WHEN I WAS EIGHTEEN AND I WAS ON THAT PARTICULAR HUNT AS WELL AS THE ONE PETER DID WHEN BRUCE MELROSE SAVED GEORGE HOFFMANS LIFE WHEN HE HAD A CARDIAC MALFUNCTION.GUEST STARS INCLUDED THE STALLONE BROTHERS BUT SLY CANCELLED AT THE LAST MINUTE AS HE WENT TO THE FILMING OF RAMBO 3.

In actual truth more than that was offered as ken was just starting out and the videos are still for sale today, business is business but your word is everything and to prove it after my telephonic discussion earlier today with
Gordon and Fiona they still do not receive any recompense from that video today.
As proof only three safaris were ever booked from that entire video episode which totals
60 hunting days the video has been on sale for ten years at a given price of $20 per video
that makes some interesting figures when over 1 million have been sold and i can assure you that not a red cent has been paid over after all the word provided and the handshakes that the old school beleive in.
I can also assure you that KEN still stakes claim to those and will not hesitate to ever do so.He hunted with legends who opened Africa and the market for the rest of the world so we may enjoy it today.
BUT AS THEY SAY BUSINESS IS BUSINESS WHERE HAS THE HONOUR GONE,.
We do not seek pity but never judge until all facts are presented and that includes the ones were you were not present and not in the office or the camp where this was discussed.

Ten years later i will defend our honour and integrity plus with over 650 safaris in 80 years of hunting surely the back that was ridden on deserves some credit as you will notice not all of need the MONEY we can do with nothing as Africa has thrown curve balls at many including Zimabaweans.

SPEAK NOT OF THE TRUTH UNTIL ALL HAS BEEN SAID THEN JUDGE THE CALIBER OF THE MAN AND HIS FAMILY WHO PROUDLY WALK IN HIS SHADOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KIND REGARDS
IAN CUNDILL DODDS

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
There is an interesting comment in Ian's post, re Ken Wilson. I have a friend who outfits in the UK. I have Ken's two UK videos one of England and one of Scotland. I ask Malcolm if he knew any of the people involved in the videos and he said yes and went on about them. I ask him if he had met Ken Wilson and he said no but had been contacted by him to do the videos in question. Ken's reprorted offer of compensation for his time and effort would be a copy of the video. Maybe that is what Gordon and Peter got, eh.

DEAR Ann

Unfortunately the post was listed by you on this reloading forum and i accept that the judgement call was made for a simple reason.
Having admitted that you posted this and we should take issue with the person concerned the fact of the matter remains the finger was pointed and myself and whoever Else is involved in this are no doubt FURIOUS.

In all old school manners should we accept your input in the last post as an apology.
As obviously HELL HATH NO FURY !!!!!!!

I WILL TAKE THE TIME PERSONALLY TO PHONE YOU AND WILL BE IN THE GREAT LAKES AREA WITHIN THE MONTH AND ENSURE THAT YOU RECEIVE A INVITATION TO DINNER, TO FACE THE MAN AND FAMILY SOME HAVE TIME TO MOCK.

KIND REGARDS
IAN CUNDILL DODDS

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Originally posted by Aspen Hill Adventures:
Just to clarify to Ian and the rest of the board. I don't know Ian or his uncle, I have never met them and have no comment (good or bad) at all about them nor their outfit. I posted something someone else wrote on a public internet site and that's all. I do not know the person who made the post either.

I don't like backstabbing and did make available the person's name and link so you can take issue there if you have one.

Well Gents,

Now that those that are blind can see I guess this discussion has coming to a close.

How refreshing,a man with honor,while so many in the worid have their heads up thier behinds!

Paul K

Wow, this was a real train wreck. Let me see if I got this straight....the gal that was putting the bad mouth on this PH Ian Dodd had at one time been engaged to him?

I say he displayed real good sense breaking that relationship off before it was too late!

Sir, look me up if you get in the S.E. Michigan area and we will swap stories about women with grudges. And I will vouch for Ann, she wasn't out to get you.

quote:

...... the nephew is someone not to be
trusted.

Interestingly this lady did not mention anything in a financial sense or even in a professional sense, though this thread gave it that slant.

Ian,

As you said "hell hath no fury ...."

Good luck to you.

I'm surely not Will Rogers... I didn't like George McGovern or John Kerry, but unless someone has some documented stuff, why don't we let sleeping dogs stay under the porch.

So far on this forum, I've wondered about lots of folks. Yet, when I met them, they all turn out to be great folks.. except for Ray, who knocked up my dog.

At least for me, when I get into a pissing contest, I usually end up down wind.

Everybody crack that bottle of 15 year-old single malt they've been saving, have a shot or three and figure out how to get to Africa again. If you have a bitch, "private messages" are a good way to pass them along.

I've sentenced hundreds of folks to jail. Thank goodness they are too stupid to find this forum, or I'd be a baby molester, a poacher and probably killed the Princess of Wales. I just thought I was doing my job, and to many of those folks, I was the most dishonest s.o.b. that ever breathed fresh air. Come to think of it, Princess Di wasn't so bad looking... maybe she would have trashed me if I'd dumped her???

Ian, as I said on a p.m., just remember that a good politician's motto is, "Say whatever you want, just spell my name right." There's value in letting folks ramble on... and in response, maintaining the character of a gentleman. This bump in the road is just a pimple on an elephant's ass. Let it pass, kind of like a bad dinner (if you know what I mean.)

Alexander Hamilton, the greatest of the writers among the American "Founding Fathers" in my humble opinion, got into a pissing match with Aaron Burr, another good man. One ended up dead and the other disgraced. Your and your family's detractors aren't about the creation of a nation, but a lesson can be learned from letting someone babble on.. You made your point. Get some clients and kill some animals.

Do take Ann to dinner. I think you will find her an interesting lady.. I plan to do the same on June 10th...

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except for Ray, who knocked up my dog.

JudgeG...
Sir you owe me a new keyboard.I nose sprayed coffee all over the damn thing.

Dear James

I think you should tell all the truth about what you thought about that safari and leave it that including what happened after that and tell these good folks how you , i ,michelle managed to avoid a serious train wreck in your marriage and now you have lovely girl or boy.

I suggest that maybe we both take judge gs advice and move on i know i have but if you want to continue maybe this would be a great time to do so.

BUT i ask you one thing when you air your opinions on this forum tell the good folks why
you choose another outfitter and tell them why i wont deal with the agent you deal with or should i bring more phs into this.

OH yes and please tell me when you met gordon as at all of the shows he was at last year and the year before he never came to the H.S.C MEETING and he only went to Dallas and s.c.i.
AND AT ALL OF THEM I STOOD BY HIS SIDE IN HIS BOOTHS THAT HE WAS IN AND MINE.

No thanks bud i would not like to kiss your shiny metal ass my lips would not get any purchase.


ajcj:
I also have heard the rumors of embezzlement about gordon, whom i have met and spoke with on several occasions a fine and honorable gentleman, but maybe he did it maybe not, this rumor has been around for years. possibly ian should not take those accusations so personally, because i have heard an increasing amount of chatter concerning him and the misappropriation of funds. I have hunted with ian previously, needless to say my next safari was with another outfitter.
I also have met noel orsak her i will vouch for any stories of her being taken advantage of are definitely more believable.[/QUOTE]

As i said in the last post
Call me twit to my face
Call me a statistic to my face
Call me retarded to my face
Honour is one thing disgrace is another and when you sling mud do not get upset when the mud gets slung back that is the beauty of these forums people can say what they want too but get highly offended when the truth starts to leak out every book has more than two pages James and they are not all yours.

But as i said i tire of your sledging and continue and i will release the honour bounds i hold close to my heart and add the other 900 pages to this little book, the truth will hurt
the choice however is YOURS!!!!!

I will take your advice and seek help for all my supposed conditions,WITH THAT I SEND YOU ON YOUR WAY AND WITH MY BEST REGARDS TO YOU AND FAMILY.

IAN

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Originally posted by bwanajcj:
Ian,
If i wanted to talk to you i would have at the HSC this year, my comments were not directed at you, otherwisw they would have your name at the top. I really prefer to ignore you.

Trainwreck with you, i, and michelle very interesting how about the email she was recieving from you about a long distance relationship?? As for gordon the times i have met him and spoke to him, you have been nowhere in sight, that was at the DSC and HSC, as i said he was a fine gentleman, you however are a twit. i chose another outfitter for my next safari because i decided to go with one who was of a more stable character, one who i felt i was less at risk of becoming a statistic and one who would acctually pay the taxidermist, or did you forget that, i paid ian in full for my taxidermy work, 14 months later i find out it was never paid for. in future topics do not mention my wife or my child. although in your retarded brain i'm sur you are convinced you are responsible for both. Ian you should seek medical attention, for Bi-polar disorder.



As for kissing my ass, please feel free to do so, but that is my signature at the end of my post, not directed at you

Folks, I'm quiting on this stalk, it seems the bull has a broken tusk, and I won't waste my time, or ammo further! BYE...........

Looks like to me that G.C. Dodds put a stop to all the gossip, laid it to rest...

As for the good Judge and his dog, you must understand she was a good looking bitch!

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
As for the good Judge and his dog, you must understand she was a good looking bitch!