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This elephant is the well documented bull from Ngorongoro....but for arguments sake, what do you think such a bull would fetch on the "open market"?



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Posts: 3035 | Location: Tanzania - The Land of Plenty | Registered: 19 September 2003Reply With Quote
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Say...........400 000 $.

the richest ego would get it.


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If it went up for auction, maybe a couple million. Hey, if I had won Power Ball, I would be the high bidder, up to the 164 million anyway!


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Look how pointy the ivory is! He must still be a youngster. Wink
 
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I don't know from elephants but a guy just paid $30,000 for a whitetail that he shot on the ranch we were on in South Texas this weekend.


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Wow, how much do you think he weighs?
 
Posts: 6080 | Location: New York City "The Concrete Jungle" | Registered: 04 May 2003Reply With Quote
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The same bull in Tanzania, and thats the closest place he could go would be $36,900 plus a $5400. trophy fee...

Notice that he is a Tanzania type bull, with the long thin tusks and weight would probably be about 80 lbs is my guess...if that.


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Ray,
goes to show you how magnificent a 100lb would be! I wonder how many 100lb ele there are in hunting areas, continent wide?
 
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What would shooting that elephant cost you?

Probably, twenty years ...


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Posts: 10138 | Location: Wine Country, Barossa Valley, Australia | Registered: 06 March 2002Reply With Quote
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Notice that he is a Tanzania type bull, with the long thin tusks and weight would probably be about 80 lbs is my guess...if that.


Ray,
You need to go back to Ngr and take a look at that bull LIVE...
Heis a large bodied elephant (For Tanzanian standards) and his ivory at the lip will be over 22 inches in circumference (estimated by the PH that took the picture Wink).

You are right that Tz elephants are known for their longer and thinner ivory. however, this is even more apparent in Southern Tz (selous, et alia) than in the North of the country - which is where this bull is found.

That ivory is over 100 lbs no doubt! Various estimates place him between 105 and 118 lbs.

I'm curious about where "the closest place he could go" would be and whether one would be issued an ele hunting permit for "that place" in the first place? this old mans' range is quite well protected and he knows that thumb


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Posts: 3035 | Location: Tanzania - The Land of Plenty | Registered: 19 September 2003Reply With Quote
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That ivory is over 100 lbs no doubt! Various estimates place him between 105 and 118 lbs.


Hells Bells even I could guess that tusker was 100 lbs +

Then again I am still to shoot my first elephant too.
 
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Ray,

I saw this bull up close in the crater, and can tell you that he is not as small bodied as you might think. Not that I've shot lots of ele, but I certainly have seen my fair share in many countrys.

Here's another picture of it:
 
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Definitely over 100, depending on the nerve the bigger one may hit 120. Stunning specimen, talk about buck fever, or should I say Bull Fever. I think the hunt could hit a million.
 
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I also have seen this bull and have about 30 shot of him. He dwarfed his askari at a mere 60-70 lb. estimated by Joe Coogan. He's not as big as a Botswana bull but a very large elephant none the less. I agree with Nitro that you don't have to be an elephant expert to know he is a 100 pounder. I feel privileged to even have seen him.

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Posts: 13118 | Location: LAS VEGAS, NV USA | Registered: 04 August 2002Reply With Quote
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Out of Africa is putting together a hunt for this bull as we speak.
 
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I just received the following from an email from Safari Press. I don't know much about Tanzanian elephants (okay nothing at all), but this one sounds like it broke the 100 pound mark. Sports Afield will have a write up about it in the December issue.
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At a hunting convention in January, Tanzanian professional hunter Rolf Rowher was overheard to predict that Tanzania would produce an elephant with tusks weighing more than 100 pounds per side in the next five to seven years. The latest news shows that his prediction has proved true in less than a year: The Tanzanian Game Department reports that an elephant with tusks of 48 and 47 kilos (106 and 104 pounds) was killed recently in the Mbinga District in southern Tanzania, close to the border of Mozambique.

In the 1970s and early 1980s, Tanzania, and especially the giant Selous Reserve, was well-known for producing several 100-pound tuskers every year. But by the mid-1980s, poaching had greatly reduced elephant numbers. With the help of the hunting community, the Tanzanian government brought poaching under control by the early 1990s, and elephants have been thriving there ever since. Even though hunters take many elephants with impressive ivory every year, jumbos with 100-pound tusks are still extremely rare--in fact, it has been twenty years since a sport hunter has shot a 100-pound elephant in Tanzania.


The recent 100-pounder was shot not by a sport hunter, but by two game scouts. As the story goes, there had been no elephants in the Mbinga District in recent memory, but one day an old elephant bull suddenly appeared in a maize field close to the small village of Ruhehe. The animal was damaging crops, so the locals tried to chase it away. Then, according to the official report on the incident, a youth climbed a small tree and threw a club at the pachyderm as it wandered in the vicinity of the tree, hitting it in the head--an incident that proves that a teenager loaded with testosterone and a five-ton elephant are not a good mix. The now-angry elephant grabbed his antagonist out of the tree with his trunk, smashed him against the tree, and proceeded to stomp on him. Needless to say, the youth was killed.


About four days later, two government game scouts arrived on the scene and managed to dispatch the bull with four shots from a .458 Winchester. The animal had remained in the maize fields, doing considerable damage to the crops.
 
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Well, what would really be the point? Its a pleasure to just be in the same spot at the same time to get a photo. On the other hand If I had a lic in my pocket and enough money in the bank to pay the fee after the shot, yep I would collect that bull in a NYC. Then again is good for the herd to have some big mature bulls around to keep the young one's in line.
 
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If someone sends me an e-mail adress I'll send them a picture of one of the "magnificent seven" in Kruger National Park of a REALLY big bull to post.
 
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Originally posted by gunny:
Out of Africa is putting together a hunt for this bull as we speak.


Hi Gunny, can you provide some more details on this?Appreciate it.Thanks.

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Does anyone know how old this bull is? I've heard that elephants usually have faster tusk growths during the last few years of their natural life. If this bull is relitively young, his tusk might even grow more.


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Robin,
Gunny was being sarcastic! thumb

Harris,
there is no definitve age estimation but he is probably around 50 to 60 yrs. although his tusks could potentially grow, it is more likely that he will break one or both with time. The water in the Ngorongoro is very alkaline and tends to make bones/ivory more brittle. He is absolutely at his prime tusk growth now!


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