Fellas, I was on a Delta flight from Atlanta to Albuquerque on teusday. As I thumbed through the airlines magazine, I came across an ad from Friends of Animals. The ad pictured 2 Scimitar horned oryx and read as follows....
"Because of their unique horns,scimitar horned oryxes were hunted to extinction. If friends dont speak up to protect the few remaing in nature, the only place we'll see the oryx is on a hunters wall or behind bars in a zoo. Help us keep these and other animals in freedomon their native lands."
As I read this, I wanted to throw up. I wanted off of Delta Airlines. This article not only contradicts itself, but it is an outright lie. Delta will not get anymore of my business and they will recieve a nice e-mail. Can SCI address FofA about this???.......wapiti7

I doubt very much that Delta knows the 'True' story of the Scimitar Horned Oryx. I'm sure that 'Friends of Animals' called and wanted to buy ad space and Delta took the information as presented at 'face value' and sold it to them. Maybe a call to Delta's head of the magazine (whoever that is) might be called for. If you get an unfavorable response then I would begin getting upset with Delta

Unfortunately, people that do not take the time to educate themselves on affairs as important as this will willingly and blindly throw money at this nonsense. If only they could come to my part of Texas....I could drive them 15 minutes from my house and show them the 'Extinct' Scimitar Horned Oryx!

Wapiti7, I am not sure what your point is, but my understanding is that these are essentially extinct IN THE WILD, IN THEIR NATIVE HABITAT. It seems to me that anytime you have to reintroduce animals into the wild, from zoo stock, you have a problem! The ad asks for protection of the few remaining in nature, which I assume means in the wild, in their native habitat. Are you advocating that we should all go over there and blast them? Wildlife is losing habitat all over the world, and it seems to me this should be something that we should be aware of. It is especially true of large DG like lion, tiger, elephant etc., but also true of non DG. Where do you get your information that "it is an outright lie"?
Peter.
PS. I just saw TXPO's post. I guess the ad you are referring to should say "on hunter's walls, zoos and game farms" to be accurate. Would that be OK?

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Help us keep these and other animals in freedomon their native lands.

I overlooked this.

I still don't trust them.

Wes,

Where would that 15 mile drive take you?

Yes, I saw the "Friends of Animals" ad on the orxy. Unfortunately for the (scimitar horned) oryx, FOA will do nothing to preserve it and their ad copy leads the uninformed reader to believe that sport hunting is the cause of the oryx' demise. The primary purpose of the ad is to generate funds to pay the salaries of the FOA employees and despoil the reputation of "hunting", not to preserve a species.

The public desperately needs to be informed of the differece in poaching/subsistence hunting and trophy hunting. As we all know, in case after case, it is only the existence of trophy hunting that creates an economic value that makes a species more valuable if it thrives than if it goes extinct.

Although habitat encroachment is a big factor with many species, it is likely less of a factor with the SH oryx. The larger factor is unregulated hunting/poaching. Thankfully, there is breeding stock in zoos and game farms that is available to reintroduce into habitat where it has been extirpated -- but this will only successfully be done if the end goal is the extablishment and nurture of huntable populations. Otherwise, wish in one hand and defecate in the other and see which one fills up fastest.

This ones extinct. Excellent table fare by the way.

Well, smart ass! First of all, if the animals were hunted to extinction, there would not be a few left in the wild. Extinct means that they no longer exist. Second of all, they weren't hunted to this point, they were poached by a bunch of ni#*%ers that don't care. Third point is that land owners in Texas and the guys that hunt there, have created the largest herd of Scimitars in the world. Are you a menber of Friends of Animals?? Sure sounds like it!............Better think before you open your mouth.......wapiti7

Peter,

There are probably in the neighbor hood of 40,000 Scimitar Horned Oryx in America on ranches.

In Chad and Sudan they were shot to death. If it wasn't for some forward thinking ranchers there would only be a few in zoos.

A call to the Texas Wildlife Assn. will get you the right number. Mine is an estimate.

The saving of endangered African and Indian hoofstock by Texas ranchers compares similarily with the saving of white rhinos by ranchers in South Africa and Namibia. The Addax, Dama Gazelle, Addra gazelle, Nubian Ibex, Pere David deer, Scimitar Horned Oryx, and Arabian oryx have all been saved from extinction by ranchers in Texas.

These same ranchers are working with CITES, Safari Club, and the USFS to get to the point where the animals can be managed for profit, anything of not value is not worth raising. More species are in the works. I would be suprised if 20 years from now white and black rhino in Texas are of sufficient numbers to release in Africa and have limited sport hunting so the wildlife can pay it's own way.

Hey Tex! I love you man!!!!!.....wapiti7

Man ya'll post fast!! The Smart ass post is for Peter!

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Originally posted by Hunter Formerly Known As Texas Hunter:
Wes,

Where would that 15 mile drive take you?

Eagle Lake, Texas. There is a high fence ranch there with LOTS of exotics you can see from the road....it's on the way to some property I have just a mile or 2 down the road from this ranch.

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Originally posted by wapiti7:
Second of all, they weren't hunted to this point, they were poached by a bunch of ni#*%ers that don't care7

wapiti7: It's not that the "ni#*%ers" don't care; you would redily take 400 lbs of protein if you were virtually starving, also. The challenge is to make the scimitar horned oryx (and all animals) more valuable to the "ni#*%ers" than just their protein content. The most efficient way to do this is to create a value though trophy hunting that greatly exceeds the food value of the animal. I'll guarantee you, when the "ni#*%ers" can trade an oryx for five or ten times the amount of meat that it carries on its frame, then you will find the orxy valued and protected by the "ni#*%ers" (whatever color or culture the "ni#*%ers" might be).

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Originally posted by Stonecreek:

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Originally posted by wapiti7:
Second of all, they weren't hunted to this point, they were poached by a bunch of ni#*%ers that don't care7

wapiti7: It's not that the "ni#*%ers" don't care; you would redily take 400 lbs of protein if you were virtually starving, also. The challenge is to make the scimitar horned oryx (and all animals) more valuable to the "ni#*%ers" than just their protein content. The most efficient way to do this is to create a value though trophy hunting that greatly exceeds the food value of the animal. I'll guarantee you, when the "ni#*%ers" can trade an oryx for five or ten times the amount of meat that it carries on its frame, then you will find the orxy valued and protected by the "ni#*%ers" (whatever color or culture the "ni#*%ers" might be).

Exactly!.....Well said

I'm not trying to be offensive, just honest. Trying to teach this concept to the natives of central africa is going to be like teaching democracy to the Iraqi people. Great idea, lots of effort but not too likely. Texans and hunters will keep on doing a good job and there will be plenty to look at and B-B-Q.......wapiti7

Peter, just one question where are elephants near extinction? Lions? and Tigers are scarcer since hunting was banned.

Wapiti7, I have nothing more to say to you. Your language tells me everything I need to know.
D99 I agree with everything you said!
Stonecreek, again, agreed.
I just think it will be a sad day when the only place we can hunt the scimitar horned Oryx is in Texas.
Die, if you re-read my post I said nothing about extinction when I refered to elephants lions etc. I referred to loss of habitat. Neither have I said anything about banning hunting. Did the original quote say anything about banning hunting?
Peter.

Peter, I don't know "What all you need to know" is, but don't expect a subtle politically correct response to your insane post! Maybe you should think before you jump in my face with your vast knowledge of extinct animals. Pissed off? Yea I'm pissed off! At all of the idiots that want to hug bambi and distort the truth. I love this country and I love to hunt....and shoot guns....and eat meat....and be a normal patriotic american. Not yet brain washed by some liberal freakin group of american nazis!!! So don't go off and defend some group of LIARS out of your ignorance!!....wapiti7

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Originally posted by Peter:
Wapiti7, I am not sure what your point is, but my understanding is that these are essentially extinct IN THE WILD, IN THEIR NATIVE HABITAT. It seems to me that anytime you have to reintroduce animals into the wild, from zoo stock, you have a problem! The ad asks for protection of the few remaining in nature, which I assume means in the wild, in their native habitat. Are you advocating that we should all go over there and blast them? Wildlife is losing habitat all over the world, and it seems to me this should be something that we should be aware of. It is especially true of large DG like lion, tiger, elephant etc., but also true of non DG. Where do you get your information that "it is an outright lie"?
Peter.
PS. I just saw TXPO's post. I guess the ad you are referring to should say "on hunter's walls, zoos and game farms" to be accurate. Would that be OK?

PETER, you know exactly what Wapiti7 was saying, and if you don't see the deviousness of FRIENDS OF ANIMALS adds, then you are a little on the anti side of life, IMO!

The people who write these things are well aware that the Simitar Horned Oryx, has been basicly extinct in it's home land for 100 yrs, and if not for the dollar value placed on the animal, by game ranches, it would be extinct in the rest of the workld as well. The add was written purposely to be missleading, and anyone who thinks the FOA cares anything about the plight of any animal is fooling himself. The purpose of those adds are to generate donations, and not one dime of that money does anything for any animal,other than the people who travel the world over, and buy large mansions, and Yachts with the donation given them.

Not one animal has ever been made to go extinct by sport hunting, and the fact is the sport hunter is the salvation of all wild life. If the animals of the Earth waited, and depended on orgs,like FOA, and PeTA, to save their bacon, there wouldn't be any wild life more wild than a poodle dog. The fact that hunting makes the animals worth something to the local people, who compete dirrectly with those animals for space, and food,leads them to protect them as if they owned them, and in the case of the game ranches they ARE owned. If the animals were not worth more than cattle, or green beans, the habitate would be cleared, and plowed, and beans grown, or grass planted for cattle. The wild life would simply be removed for something that was worth a monitary value to the local.

The simitar horned Oryx is alive today, because they are valuable, not because the FOA, or PeTAheads helped them!

Animal rights people are the problem, not the solution! They know what they are doing, but hope no one else does. They, and those who donate to them, or repete their lies are the worst enimies of wild life the world over!

Is that better Teach?

Well said Mac!

I just logged on and read this thread.

I agree with Lhook7: Well said Mac!

Mac,
I'm not being a smartass (well maybe just a little), What are rances?

I am a Delta retiree and can assure you that they are not anti hunting. Like all major airlines they started selling ads in the inflight magazine (probably not printed by them anymore) to lessen the cost of producing it. I'm almost certain they would allow a well thought out and researched rebuttal to be purchased. FOA payed to have their views aired and we must do the same, only more convincingly. It is the black African more than U.S. socialites that will help us save African wildlife if we are to succeed.

IMO, The ad is trying to blame sport hunter for what human encroachment is doing.
We as hunters are reducing the problems of what we as humans are doing to wildlife with our growing population.
A great example is the safari areas and game ranches available to paying sport hunters.

I shot my Scimitar Horned Oryx in Africa in 2004, and had to obtain a Cites permit for it. Beautiful animal with 40" horns. Saw plenty of them over there, and some ranches in South Africa were leading the way in breeding and raising them due to them being wiped out in Chad, the Sudan and in other areas of the continent. As stated by others here, the U.S. is also helping with that by breeding and raising them here as well.

Mac is absolutely right!

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Originally posted by Brain1:
Mac,
I'm not being a smartass (well maybe just a little), What are rances?

Hey my wife wasn't home to tell me how to spell!

There would not be any blackbuck antelope today if it weren't for the blacbucks released in the wild in Texas in the 1930's. Thanks to the success of that herd and the countless thousands on high fenced ranches and the hunting dollars they generate, the blackbuck has been re-introduced in its native habitat in Pakistan and India. In fact, they now have a huntable population.......and are controlling it this time.

The FOA is a VERY anti-hunting organization.

Bob

MacD37, damn that was well said!

Damn well said!

As the advertisement speaks about conserving scimitar oryx "in the wild" and is attempting to obtain donations from those comments, if hunting of them and the fact they are almost extinct (if true?) in the wild in Africa, then the advertising is false advertising (IMO).

Does the advertising represent obtaining monies under false pretenses?

Also as the advertisement claims to want donations for the purposes of "saving" the scimitar oryx and possibly returning them to the wild, the FofA should be asked what the funds they gather from that advertisement are to be used for? ie exactly what projects dealing with the scimitar oryx that they will fund.

Otherwise yet again IMO false advertising.

My guess is all donations go into general revenue like most 'greenie' groups ie basically salaries and wages, rent, advertising, and various PR stunts.

nitrox.....while what you are saying is true, The one thing that I think you are missing is that F of A is directly contributing the demise of the oryx to trophy hunting.
The ad starts off saying
"without a friend, they're double trophies"
Pretty self explanitory.........with all due respect....wapiti7

Just a revenue raising advert / stunt.

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Originally posted by Bob in TX:
There would not be any blackbuck antelope today if it weren't for the blacbucks released in the wild in Texas in the 1930's. Thanks to the success of that herd and the countless thousands on high fenced ranches and the hunting dollars they generate, the blackbuck has been re-introduced in its native habitat in Pakistan and India. In fact, they now have a huntable population.......and are controlling it this time.

The FOA is a VERY anti-hunting organization.

Bob

Gee-whiz guys! Just how many varieties of exotic animals do we have on the loose in this state?

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Originally posted by Tex21:

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Originally posted by Bob in TX:
There would not be any blackbuck antelope today if it weren't for the blacbucks released in the wild in Texas in the 1930's. Thanks to the success of that herd and the countless thousands on high fenced ranches and the hunting dollars they generate, the blackbuck has been re-introduced in its native habitat in Pakistan and India. In fact, they now have a huntable population.......and are controlling it this time.

The FOA is a VERY anti-hunting organization.

Bob

Gee-whiz guys! Just how many varieties of exotic animals do we have on the loose in this state?

Over 100 that are huntable.

T- nice scimitar, is that Ivan's or Spencer's? Are you still considering a lion hunt? From now on all dickheads will be called PETAHEADS!!!!!!

Laredo Kid. That is Spencers second scimitar when you were with us.


You and Spencer need to come go with us on a lion hunt. Can't believe you wanted me to ask Don.