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After viewing several websites it seems the minimum number of days required for booking a tuskless hunt has been increased from 7 to 10. I have hunted four tuskless and I have never gone past the 3rd day. Who sets the minimum days requirement? Is it the Parks department or the individual safari company or somebody else I don't know about? STAY IN THE FIGHT! | ||
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It probably varies but I believe in most countries it is up to the operator, meaning the safari company. I believe most operators make a realistic estimate of the number of days needed to insure a high probability to take a quality animal. I have been on two cape buffalo hunts in good areas. On the first hunt no shot presented itself until day 7. On the next I took a buff on the afternoon of day 1. I was offered a second buff and we hunted hard for 8 more days and did not get another shot. Most operators I have found will allow you to knock 1 or 2 days off of a hunt if that is all the time you have and not charge you the minimum number of days. Also remember that some operators like a day in between hunts to re-organize camp so lots of short hunts would mean lots of non=revenue days. There is also the "How much income do I need to generate approach". If I am a safari operator and I only have 10 buffalo hunts and I can also fit in another 10 plains game hunts based on quotas I have for certain animals and my safrai season is April thru September, I need to generate a minimum amount of revenue form the DG hunts and I have to worry about logistics and schedule on the other hunts. I am sure there are also some locations where pricing is a little more shall we say sinister and the opertor is setting minimum number of days X daily rate plus trophy fee is just another way of establishing the total price of hunt. For example Trophy Elephant hunt at $1000 for 21 days plus $10,000 trophy fee is really just another way of saying "You want to shoot a trophy elephant its $31000. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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It depends on the individual country. Most but not all Governments/Game Depts set a minimum number of days (regarding Government fees etc) for key species but the outfitters are also free increase or decrease that if they feel it necessary. Individual companies will often 'juggle the figures so even if a hunter wants a shorter hunt, he can have it, but the minimum Government fees are still paid. Some countries also dictate what (and how many) species can be hunted on what licence. Some countries also have different rules for different areas or provinces. In Zim, I believe it's a combination of (what passes for  )Government and outfitter.Hope that helps. | |||
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In many countries, it's the gov't that sets the minimum days (via licences) for specific species. In Zim, the gov't has started to take an interest in ensuring that they get their lb of flesh (or forex). So they have imposed minimum daily rates depending on the type of hunt. For DG, I believe it's $600 for 2009 onward. I don't think they have set minimum days (yet). As you can see, these minima tend to be lower than the current market rates so they really don't have an impact. However, they force the outfitter to declare at least that much and deposit the forex accordingly, so Bob can take his cut. The outfit that controls the hunting area sets the minimum days as well as the trophy fees. In practice, most follow Chifuti's lead. They are the "price leader" in Zim. Some just copy their pricelist and change the header. Chifuti has jacked their prices substantially for 2009 for DG hunts. A risky move in light of the continuing negative news coming out of Zim. It will be interesting to see who follows. I have seen HHK's list and it appears they are following for next year. The guy I work with for DG in Zim, Ben Kotze, offers a tuskless for 09 in 7 days. He will also do a PAC in 7. Tuskless can be a lengthy hunt...if you exclude cows with dependent calves. You have to look over 100 elephant to find 2 or 3 tuskless cows, and most of them (I would say more than half) have calves with them. So on average, you need to sort through 200-300 elephant. This takes time. 7 days is usually enough but not always. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Zim doesn't set minimum number of days per se, but they regulate the minimum you may charge. I cannot sell an exportable bull elephant for under 20k. How I break that up is more or less up to me. say 1000 a day for 12 days and 8k trophy fees, or perhaps get away with 2000 a day for 6 days... Minimum for a plains game hunt is 3 days @ 350 per day. Minimum for buff is 7 days @ 850 per day. Parks have just pushed prices up here- and operating costs (in US$ terms) have doubled in the last 18 months... | |||
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What a shame, especially in these tough economic times. | |||
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I defer to Ganyana on this, obviously. Controlling the total $ amount makes sense given the interests at work here. However, I think it's worth pointing out that the means of enforcement is the acquittal no. from the Reserve bank, necessary before the trophies can be exported. So there is not (I believe) any enforcement of minima for non-trophy (no export) hunts. In other words, you can have your hunt and not necessarily support Bob, if you forego any export of trophies. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Hi Russ You are partially correct. Technically, every hunt requires that a TR2 form is stamped by parks authorising the hunt, and the fees to be paid must be stipulated before parks will stamp and sign the form. After the hunt, the TR2 has to be completed and returns made to parks and the bank, even if no export is to take place. Of cource, one fills out the TR2, gets parks to stamp it and two weeks later you return it "canceled" becuase the #$@%! client let you down I know there are many who do not bother with this and just conduct the hunt, but id Parks, or increasingly, the police want to nail you for something (in order to extort a bribe) you are legally required to have an open TR2 form in the clients name, and signed by parks whilst the hunt is on. | |||
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