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Mr. Gould, I’ve tried it…AND lived. Last time I checked, anyway. In an effort to please both camps on this horrifically hijacked thread, and at the same time respond to the original topic, let me see if I can be both courteous AND sincere: In ’02 I carried a Marlin (gasp!) Cowboy in .45-70 (gasp! gasp!) to Zim for leopard with hounds. The rig wore an Ashley ghost ring on the receiver and delivered fast, accurate fire when called upon. Man, you’d think I planned it that way! While the .45-70 is NOT a DG round for any but spotties IMO, I saw enough to validate the use of ghost rings up close and fast. It worked well for me. Use what works for you and let the resident arbiters of fashion and aesthetics here hold forth as they will. As soon as I receive matching funds from any of them, I’ll adopt their tastes in all things gunny. Until then, I’ll have to learn to live with some disapproval. Sigh. Good luck and good hunting, Mark DRSS "I always take care to fire into the nearest hillside and, lacking that, into darkness." - the late Dr. Hunter S. Thompson | |||
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NitroX asked: "I wonder why express sights are not installed closer to eye? Probably because unlike the nominally "invisible" peep ring, one must be able to see the expres V properly, shofting focus between the rear sight, front sight and target." I believe it is for faster acquisition (I am refering to bead/V sights here, not apertures, where it should be close to the eye). As you said, longer sight plane is better for accuracy (all of this is assuming the sights are robust or fine enough for the intended job). When the sight plane is shortened, it is easier to align the sights, as any lateral yawing in the rifle will seem less pronounced when looking down the sights. Say you had a very long sight plane, even a tiny lateral movement at the rear or front of the rifle will take the sights out of alignment. Closer togeher, with the same sights for arguments sakes, will require more lateral movement to take the sights out of alignment (but will not require such precise aiming). I guess on a DGR, where serious accuracy is not essential in close encounters the ability to acquire and hold alignment is improved. A gunsmith told me this, I have not tested it as have not used a large variety of irons (mainly aperture for target and my CZ .375 irons). I does make some sense though, at least to me! I guess this can be partly achieved with more robust sights (i.e. a shallower V as most DGR or express types have, as opposed to a steeper V or U shape). | |||
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Actually I know why they wouldn't, because as I suggested they would be difficult to focus on. Unlike a peep where you are not supposed to focus on it, but look through it. That is why the rifle which Canuck posted a photo of, is a bit silly. It misses the point, JMO. | |||
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Nitro, you may not like the "look" of that sight set up. I have shot Dave's 470Mbogo, and it does work out pretty good. I do prefer ghostrings over the rear bridge, but on the quarter rib works works better for me than express sights. As the express sights cover 50% of where you are looking. Keith IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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I didn't say anything about looks. Don't get me into that fight! | |||
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I regret that AR members would get their panties in a twist over differing views of aesthetics. If I like a pancake cheekpiece and you like a classic cheekpiece, does that mean we are enemies? I posted a pic of a deep belly mag Fn 375 that I have and AR member Bent Fossadal posted that it was fugly. Am I mad? No. Is he a dick or a jerk? No. But if I ever decide to sell it, he will probably not be the first guy that I contact about it.  Nonetheless, I really appreciate that Canuck spoke from the heart. So did Bent. So did I. If only we could have more free and open communication then we would understand each other better. | |||
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Hi guys, Been gone a long time but stumbled back in... I have an old FN Mauser in 404 set up with Talley rings and bases (not any sort of QD) and was wondering if anybody is aware of some sort of ghost ring/aperture sight available to mount on this sort of base? I normally have a 1.5-5 Leupold on this rifle and would like to have this sort of sight available as insurance should the scope have to come off. Of course something that could be used at the same time would be ideal but I'm not quite sure how that would be possible. Next best thing would be pop-up once the scope is removed... Oh, why this is necessary is that the bases obscure the factory rear sight when left on. Those sights would be adequate if viewable. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. Reed | |||
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Forgive me for saying but I think the peep site on the quarter rib is a perfect way to ruin the looks of the quarter rib. Sorry Canuck, just don't like the looks. The only easy day is yesterday! | |||
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Tamid- I use the Brockman Pop Up Peep Sight on my .416 model 70. The front bead is fiber optic. This arrangement works really well for me. I believe Will has gone to the Pop Up also on at least one of his rifles. John | |||
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I say try it before you judge it. This is one case where you can't know if it works or not based on theory. Dave put it as far back as he could without it interfering with the scope, so that it would function as designed. And guess what, it actually does work. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Pegleg, Thats cool. I am definitely not one to criticize another's taste. And I appreciate that you didn't feel the need to express your opinion in an inflammatory way.  Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Post cut and sent in a PM to 500grains. I am tired of boring the rest of you with this hijack crap between 500g and I. Many apologies. | |||
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pimple Oops. That just sorta slipped out. _________ Now on a serious note. Canuck, if you don't want to talk about this any more, then quit posting about it.  There is no need for you to feel concerned that you called me a dick. I am not offended, and as I said I appreciate hearing your honest opinion rather than another message contrived solely for the purposes of courtesy. Thank you.Back to the topic of sights. Some guys eyes do not do well with open sights, and a peep is probably best for them. Personally I like shooting peeps but they do not look as nice as a well-presented open sight. And they certainly do not give us that classic look of an English gun made for hunting in Africa. | |||
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BS. Its clear that your whole purpose was to make a point about moderators calling someone a dick when you are still pissed off about something to do with your squabble with jeffe. I honestly never cared what you actually think about Dave's peep site and if you think I did then you did miss my point altogether. I didn't contrive anything. I didn't realize this had anything to do with me being a moderator until today. I now know for sure where you and I stand. I won't lose any sleep over it. Canuck | |||
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Canuck, I posted that the sight looks like a pimple because it does, not because you are a moderator. But I will take public note that I was threatened with banishment for asking a moderator to quit being an a _ _ hole, but it's ok for moderators to call people dicks. Personally I think both are fine but if you were a member I think you would have been threatened with banishment.  Now, let's all vow to have clear skin and talk about peep sights. There is no need for you to make further posts in an attempt to justify calling someone a dick because nobody cares. | |||
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Mr. Reed, Talley offers a peep sight http://www.talleyrings.com/bases.htm There is a picture somewhere, nice clean little sight. | |||
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I guess every one is different.....the only peep I have is mounted very far rearward on the rear of the receiver. I like it for target work but for quick and close usage I prefer a course iron "Vee" about 1/3 the way down the barrel and a front white bead about 3/32 wide. I can easily see some of the colored flourescent sights would be easier to pick up in a hurry. That said, I've become so accostomed to using a scope that a 1.5-5X scope set at about 2x would make me feel totally adequate under any hunting situation of close up shots. I've been using a scope for flying and running targets for 45 years and would not feel hampered using one in a charge.....everyone to their own! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Here is the pic of the peep https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...?r=29010632#29010632 | |||
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Of course if you mount the front site farther back on the barrel it can act as a brace for your scope. Makes things more solid don't ya know.  I think there is a possibility of agreement on this one.  | |||
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To answer a couple of questions in this thread: Brockman makes a great popup peep that is integral with the rear scope base but it only fits Win 70 and Montana actions. It's a Talley-style base so you can take your existing Talley base of and replace it with this one, I believe. And the FN Mauser question is near to my heart because that's where this thread started. The options are: 1. Williams - mounts directly to rear bridge, peep or ghost insert (interchangeable). This is not only the least expensive solution but probably the most versatile, if you don't want to switch between scope and aperture. It looks a little cheesy though, if you care about looks (and we all do as much as we hate to admit it). 2. XS - mounts on Weaver or Warne rear base. True ghost ring, two aperture sizes, steel, adjustable. 3. NECG - mounts on Weaver base but it's a true peep, not a ghost ring. Comes with two (smallish) aperatures, probably the best sight bar scope for longer shots, but I am concerned it will obscure too much of the target and be too slow for DG work. May be wrong on this. Both Brockman and XS make a really rugged ghost ring with ears for the Marlin guide guns, the rear has 1/2" hole spacing just like the FN, the front is a screw-on sight with a white post, contoured for a fattish muzzle, so it may be possible to modify the contour of this setup to fit an FN Mauser front and back. I'm going to order one just to check out the feasibility of modifying this setup to work, if it can't be done I will use the XS unit mounted on a steel Weaver base (S45) and for a front sight the NECG Universal banded ramp with a skeletonized hood and fiberoptic bead. I will also use Warne QD rings, Weaver style, for a scope. The removeable XS ghost ring will then be my backup. If I like it, I will take the scope as my backup and use the ghost ring primarily. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Russ, Do you know if Williams or anyone else makes a peep that fits the rear bridge of a CZ550? | |||
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I have also been looking for a peep sight to fit the CZ 550 with no luck. If someone does have a lead please come forward. _________________________________ AR, where the hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history become the nattering nabobs of negativisim. | |||
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https://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/...=688109605#688109605 Here is what I'm having done to my CZ. This is strictly a back up type situation, but I plan on practicing quite a bit before I go to Africa. I have quite a bit of peep sight experience. I shot competition 22 w/peeps growing up. I have always owned a peep sighted gun and shot four deer just this past season using peep sights. I prefer the peep farther back. If the gun fits properly (very important), the rear peep lines up, and it is just like pointing a shotgun. You don't even pay attention to it. Just concentrate on the front sight. There is nothing faster or more accurate IMO. I tend to aggree with 500gr on the peep sight in the posted picture, it looks out of place. But the most important thing is function IMO. If I ever get into an extremely tight situation with DG, I would rather have the peep. But a good scope should prevent that from ever happening in the first place. | |||
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Russ, give Brockman a call and talk to him. He is ok with making a pop-up to fit my Daly Mauser bases (Talley), working through my gunmaker, Sterling Davenport. | |||
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Nobody lists CZ for a direct mount as best I can tell. Call CZ and ask if they know of one. (Gotta love a Mauser....the 375 Ruger is going to boost interest in Mauser actions mark my words..) Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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I called Brockman's about the popup peep today. $135 for a Model 70/Montana 99 model. He can custom make one for a mauser for $245. You send him the barreled action. That is just a little too steep for me. I have Ashley sights on my 86 Winchester and a Williams foolproof with the arpeture disc removed on my 450 Watts (it came that way). Both work great but the Ashley sight is the more bullet proof of the two sights. Ashley Emerson has made a version of the XS sight with ears for a Model 70 reciever. I don't know if he is selling it or how to get to contact him to inquire about it. Dave Clay has installed this sight on at least one rifle so one could start by contacting him. I also have an XS sight on my mauser scout rifle. I am going to go with the XS removable sight on Warne bases on the 7 mauser I am building for my son. All in all I guess you could say I'm sold on XS sights. The true measure of a hunters skill is not the size of the trophy but rather the length of the shot with the greater measure of skill being the shorter shot---Jeff Cooper | |||
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I got a rather interesting reply from XS regarding the possibility of fitting the Marlin ghost ring with the ears to an FN Mauser (the hole spacing is right..). He said the ears are unnecessary, designed by Ashley, and it seems there's no love lost between them. Russ Gould - Whitworth Arms LLC BigfiveHQ.com, Large Calibers and African Safaris Doublegunhq.com, Fine English, American and German Double Rifles and Shotguns VH2Q.com, Varmint Rifles and Gear | |||
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Ashley and XS haven't been in business for a few years now. XS now owns all the rights to the Ashley line. Lo do they call to me, They bid me take my place among them in the Halls of Valhalla, Where the brave may live forever. | |||
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Like I said, it does work. When I first saw it I was curious how well that set up would work. When I shouldered it, it proveved to be better than express sights for me. As SDh put it:
This set up functions just fine. Remember, there are only a few places and options for backup iron sights to go. Sometimes, "tradtion" as to take a backseat to nessesity. Keith IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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XS is supposedly working on a sight for the CZ dovetail. Canuck, Interesting idea of a ghost ring on the quarter rib. I would think it would slower to find the front sight in it than the more typical open rear sight. Taylor recommended about everything that was available in his time, but the old open shallow V has worked well for me, though the ghost ring/peep sight is more accurate (or should I say more precise shot placement?). ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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That would be just what is needed. You would still have to do a swap though. I think the permanment peep type is better as all one has to do is pull the scope via QR rings and you have instant open sights. If XS could somehow figure out how to mount it on the rear or front base of the CZ and fit under the scope would be better IMO. If one would really want to get crazy there has to be some way to mount a holo of ACOG type sight. The military can't be all that wrong could they? | |||
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