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Ivan Carter and Mark Sullivan DVDs and Trailer
21 March 2013, 07:44
SaeedIvan Carter and Mark Sullivan DVDs and Trailer
The part I am looking forward to is to see how Cal can tell if a charge is enticed or not

21 March 2013, 08:49
cal pappas338:
I will only use the first of Mark's ten films. I will not use the "best of" films. Only individual hunts and no repeats will be tabulated.
Saeed:
The work is done. Give me a few days to tabulate and chart the results. You will be surprised on the charges information as to enticed or not. Now I fully understand that Mark's detractors will not change their mind with what publish here but at least the numbers will be known.
Anyway, gents, give me a few days to continue healing up as any tasks I undertake are a bit slow and I'm home now and on my own so it's a bit slower that it would be if I had someone here.
Cheers,
Cal
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www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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21 March 2013, 10:16
Venture Southquote:
so it's a bit slower that it would be if I had someone here.
Anyone know of a sweet, young, nubile assistant that could go and "help" Cal?

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21 March 2013, 10:33
Saeed
Cal,
We all wish you a quick and completely recovery.
I thought as you enjoy hunting, you might wish to ask the above for some quality time together

21 March 2013, 19:33
cal pappasSaeed:
You know how to get a man's blood up. I will call my agent for a ticket just now.
Box H:
Thanks, but no need, Saeed has taken care of the situation!
Cheers gents.
Cal
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Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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21 March 2013, 20:18
Todd Williamsquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Cal,
We all wish you a quick and completely recovery.
I thought as you enjoy hunting, you might wish to ask the above for some quality time together
It's been said that a man's true character shines while on safari!

21 March 2013, 21:01
SaeedTodd,
You are just jealous because you are not as good looking as Walter

21 March 2013, 23:34
MacD37quote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
The part I am looking forward to is to see how Cal can tell if a charge is enticed or not
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....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1
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"If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982
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21 March 2013, 23:36
Bill C.....not to shabby Walter, but are you man enough for the MANKINI?

21 March 2013, 23:48
Todd WilliamsI'm wondering if Cal is preparing to serve Crow as part of a 3 course meal, or just sandwiches!
21 March 2013, 23:54
cal pappasSaeed and Mac:
I would imagine from you gents who are so anti Mark that you are questioning if I can "tell" if a charge is enticed or not. What I will do is list each charge, note if the animal was wounded or not, note if there was a wait to see what if the animal would do, note if the animal charge instantly without waiting, charged unwounded, and who and how many shots were fired. I will also note where the client shot and missed, when the client went to a wounded animal with an empty chamber, when a client kept pulling the front trigger of a double and could get off the second shot. I would hope you would be as factual as I plan to be, but I don't expect to change any opinions of Mark. Meaning Mac's comments on Mark's "stupid habit" of kicking dirt at a hippo to entice a charge. I won't debate the use of the word "stupid" as that is an opinion. I will take issue with the word "habit" as it only happened one time. Using words such as this illustrate the emotion generated is not keeping with facts. One instance, even while disagreed with, is not a habit by any stretch of the imagination. And, in keeping with facts as presented on the films I can't and won't speculate what happens off camera.
As mentioned, give me a few days to tabulate and I will present either here or on a new thread.
Cheers gents,
Cal
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Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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22 March 2013, 00:08
Frostbitquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Saeed and Mac:
I would imagine from you gents who are so anti Mark that you are questioning if I can "tell" if a charge is enticed or not. What I will do is list each charge, note if the animal was wounded or not, note if there was a wait to see what if the animal would do, note if the animal charge instantly without waiting, charged unwounded, and who and how many shots were fired. I will also note where the client shot and missed, when the client went to a wounded animal with an empty chamber, when a client kept pulling the front trigger of a double and could get off the second shot. I would hope you would be as factual as I plan to be, but I don't expect to change any opinions of Mark. Meaning Mac's comments on Mark's "stupid habit" of kicking dirt at a hippo to entice a charge. I won't debate the use of the word "stupid" as that is an opinion. I will take issue with the word "habit" as it only happened one time. Using words such as this illustrate the emotion generated is not keeping with facts. One instance, even while disagreed with, is not a habit by any stretch of the imagination. And, in keeping with facts as presented on the films I can't and won't speculate what happens off camera.
As mentioned, give me a few days to tabulate and I will present either here or on a new thread.
Cheers gents,
Cal
I also suggest you report if the charge was from cover or in the open.
22 March 2013, 07:48
Saeedquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Saeed and Mac:
I would imagine from you gents who are so anti Mark that you are questioning if I can "tell" if a charge is enticed or not. What I will do is list each charge, note if the animal was wounded or not, note if there was a wait to see what if the animal would do, note if the animal charge instantly without waiting, charged unwounded, and who and how many shots were fired. I will also note where the client shot and missed, when the client went to a wounded animal with an empty chamber, when a client kept pulling the front trigger of a double and could get off the second shot. I would hope you would be as factual as I plan to be, but I don't expect to change any opinions of Mark. Meaning Mac's comments on Mark's "stupid habit" of kicking dirt at a hippo to entice a charge. I won't debate the use of the word "stupid" as that is an opinion. I will take issue with the word "habit" as it only happened one time. Using words such as this illustrate the emotion generated is not keeping with facts. One instance, even while disagreed with, is not a habit by any stretch of the imagination. And, in keeping with facts as presented on the films I can't and won't speculate what happens off camera.
As mentioned, give me a few days to tabulate and I will present either here or on a new thread.
Cheers gents,
Cal
Cal,
I am not questioning what you are going to do.
My question is how can ANYONE tell from watching a movie, which has been edited to convey a certain event in the way the editor wanted to appear.
The only way it could be done is if that person was actually present on what had happened.
And you are of course right. You are not going to change my mind that as far as I am concerned, Mark Sullivan gets those charges because he does not just entice these charges, but PLANS them in advance to occurr.
What he actually does to get them to happen is the mystery we would all like to know.
And frankly the only person who can tell us that is someone who was present.
22 March 2013, 08:54
ExpressYourselfquote:
Originally posted by cal pappas:
Shawn:
I reread your long post and my compliments on how well it was written. The fact you had no detractors shows it is beyond reproach.
I have finished my watching the first ten of Mark's films. I drive home tomorrow with the new knee and soon after I settle in I will tabulate the results and post them in a new thread. I have every shot, who shot first, who killed the animal, every charge and if the charge was wounded, not wounded and enticed or not. I will list the number of shots by clients and by Mark and I even have the order of shots and by whom. The final results won't surprise you but it will many and many will know of their errors in what they have stated in the past. The only thing I ponder is if I should quote the detractors when I present the fact(s). One side of me says I should not point fingers and the other side says there has been so much untruthful finger pointing at Mark that I should. I will think on this over the next few days. Expect my post by early next week. I have my commentary written now and I just need to edit it and polish it a bit so I sound somewhat educated and then tabulate the data. I will divide the videos into three categories: the first three (1990-92), the mid years (1995-2000) and the last two (2005-06). Each of these three categories show changes in firearms, philosophy, clients, hunting style, methods, etc. In closing, I would like to meet you someday. You seem like a skookum gent (Alaska slang).
Cheers,
Cal
PS. I will stay out of the Heinz-Baskin Robins debate, however.
Cal,
I would like to meet you personally one day as well. Perhaps I can give you a shout the next time I am flying into Alaska. I did draw a spring hunt on POW but I was hoping for a fall hunt so I doubt that I will make it up in 2014.
Thank you Cal for your kind words, I am familiar with the phrase skookum gent. It is a very special compliment but I truly do not deserve such a wonderful accolade. It is very humbling to receive such a fine compliment from you.
Regarding the information you have compiled to share with AR, I wish you the best with your presentation. I predict that regardless of what the information you compile reveals; it will be ineffective in changing the mantra of those who wish to manufacture and spin misinformation to create innuendos of impropriety.
Disagreeing with a hunting style is one thing but wrongly implying something sinister or illegal has occurred is objectionable. Remember, they have never hunted with Mark as I have. Their opinions beyond the dislike for his style or a specific action on tape with which they disagree are simply comments formed from unfounded speculation.
It sounds like your surgery went well and good to hear that you are at home. I hope you are on the mend very soon!
Sending my best wishes,
Shawn
22 March 2013, 09:09
cal pappasShawn:
Thanks and we'll be in touch. My post will be early next week:
Saeed:
Thanks for your comments and I hope you and I can each, as others in our respective court, state our cases in a gentlemanly manner. After all we are all in this game together no matter how we go about it.
Cheers,
Cal
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Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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27 March 2013, 09:59
ExpressYourselfCal…I saw your post containing the
data that you gathered by reviewing some of Mark’s DVDs. Interesting how the information you compiled conflicts with the contrived disinformation perpetuated by the few and then routinely repeated as factual for consumption.
Cheers,
Shawn
15 April 2013, 01:05
ExpressYourselfquote:
Originally posted by ExpressYourself:
Cal…I saw your post containing the
data that you gathered by reviewing some of Mark’s DVDs. Interesting how the information you compiled conflicts with the contrived disinformation perpetuated by the few and then routinely repeated as factual for consumption.
Cheers,
Shawn
Bumping to run parallel with the other current Mark Sullivan threads for reference.
Shawn
15 April 2013, 06:18
Michael RobinsonWhy don't you guys just start a fan club?

Mike
Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
15 April 2013, 07:23
SaeedCal's study was great.
It proves beyond any shadow of a doubt what I have been saying about how incompetent Mark Sullivan is.
Clients fire 193 shots
Mark Sullivan fires 73 shots
Total animals killed 82
Mike,
They have already started their fan club.
Haven't you noticed how those of us who dislike what Mark Sullivan does are classified as "haters"?
And our Dr. friend from Germany has passed his judgement on us that we are mentally sick?
15 April 2013, 11:56
BenKKquote:
Originally posted by Saeed:
Cal's study was great.
It proves beyond any shadow of a doubt what I have been saying about how incompetent Mark Sullivan is.
Clients fire 193 shots
Mark Sullivan fires 73 shots
Total animals killed 82
Mike,
They have already started their fan club.
Haven't you noticed how those of us who dislike what Mark Sullivan does are classified as "haters"?
And our Dr. friend from Germany has passed his judgement on us that we are mentally sick?
I must wonder what the average number of bullets required, including insurance, is for other buffalo hunting films? I haven't done the maths, but I imagine it is similar. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I've stated before that I think three is a fair average, for buffalo. The first shot takes him by surprise, the second shot hits him as he runs, the third shot is insurance or a finisher. I proved this, to myself, again on the weekend with a wonderful scrub bull - my biggest yet - with my .458WM.
I'm not in any fan club that I'm aware of, sorry. And I sincerely hope that I have not labelled anyone as a "hater" or made judgements about their frame of mind.
I do enjoy Mark's DVDs, even if the way he speaks on camera is not what we are used-to in Australia - but he's not Australian. But I wouldn't let that make me unable to appreciate and respect and enjoy other aspects of his work.
15 April 2013, 13:21
Russ BWhoever is doing the marketing for MS and IC is doing a great job it seems like this thread will never die.
Both these PHs are relative newcomers to the business and yet have become household names, great marketing job.
15 April 2013, 13:39
Maximus Brutusquote:
Originally posted by Russ B:
Whoever is doing the marketing for MS and IC is doing a great job it seems like this thread will never die.
In the case of MS that would be Saeed

16 April 2013, 14:11
ExpressYourselfIndeed.
17 April 2013, 03:24
cal pappasThe math speaks volumes:
Thread on Saeed's videos: 47 posts, 1,087 views
Last 4 threads on MS: 823 posts, 37,598 views
The man's name does seem to draw a following.
No conclusions here, just stating numbers. It would be interesting to see who made the most posts on MS. Can you gents figure out on how to do this?
Cheers, gentlemen.
Cal
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Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska
www.CalPappas.comwww.CalPappas.blogspot.com1994 Zimbabwe
1997 Zimbabwe
1998 Zimbabwe
1999 Zimbabwe
1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation
2000 Australia
2002 South Africa
2003 South Africa
2003 Zimbabwe
2005 South Africa
2005 Zimbabwe
2006 Tanzania
2006 Zimbabwe--vacation
2007 Zimbabwe--vacation
2008 Zimbabwe
2012 Australia
2013 South Africa
2013 Zimbabwe
2013 Australia
2016 Zimbabwe
2017 Zimbabwe
2018 South Africa
2018 Zimbabwe--vacation
2019 South Africa
2019 Botswana
2019 Zimbabwe vacation
2021 South Africa
2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later)
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