Good to see you posting on here Sir.

This works for me:

1. Obey the local laws.

2. Don't shoot unless you are almost certain to kill the animal.

3. Aside from (1) and (2), don't try to impose your "ethics" on other people.

be sure to make a make a clean kill is a very good rule.

I noticed some AR members suggested some basic ethics such as being truthful about the hunt and the method used to harvest the trophies. Everyone exaggerates. Hunting stories would be boring if they didn't. But posting such hunt reports on international forums is misleading to others who may be interested in going themselves. Its shows poor character and "ethics".

The internet has made the world such a small place...AR has made it even smaller.

really

1. Learn and obey all applicable local game laws and regulations.

2. Don't do anything that you will look back on later and wish you hadn't done. You'll only be cheating yourself of the opportunity to relish the memory of the hunt.

Yes, Mario. It's a very small hunting community. Now, on with your article about ethics. Perhaps throw in a few pictures of your Asian bowkills to show your talent as a bowhunter, signore.

I got a big laugh about a guy who took the scope off his rifle for the after hunt photo. Not illegal or unethical from the stand point of how the animal was taken, still it made the hunter stink.

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:
1. Don't lie about your hunt.

That is hilarious, SR4759. Nothing illegal about it. I guess some hunters are just that insecure. Maybe they feel the need to compensate for other areas of their lives?

Now, take that same scenario only replace the rifle with a bow. Then gloat about one's accomplishments on an international forum with false claims and pictures.

As a dedicated bowhunter, I do take offence.

And I get a laugh when people say A bow hunt backed-up by a Centrefire is not a real bow hunt.

But a client with his Centrefire backed-up with a centre-fire is a real hunt,
even when the PH does most of the shooting & actual killing.
...

An arrow is just a slower-heavier projectile.
A bullet is just a lighter-faster projectile.
How either projectile is propelled is of no consequence.

Word this however you wish.
What really burns me up are those guys that claim: "Oh, I got some shots but, didn't kill anything".

I'd bet a pile they never went to check the site the animal was at to make sure they didn't hit it. How many times have you seen the dirt fly way beyond the animal you or someone else shot at and believed it was a miss?

I was about 30yds from a buddy shooting at an antelope and dirt flew way off to the side and behind the buck which stood still, not even flinching. I said: "Charley, you missed" "No I didn't" about that time the buck tipped over like a log and never kicked. Bullet thru the heart. Yet it sure looked to me like he'd missed by a long ways. Has anyone else here seen that happen and called it a miss? At the same time, how many have seen what they believed a miss, and never followed up to make sure it was a miss and not an unnoticed hit? A good many animals don't show being hit when they run off. I've seen heart and lung shot deer and elk run 200yds or more without a sign of being hit and then just crash dead. A lot of guys would call that a miss.

The woods are full of dead and wounded animals after every hunting season. To me, that's as unethical as can be.

Mario: I wish you well, but, as has been said before. There's just too much to cover for one short article.
George

George

Yes, have fallen for that myself, both when
I have been shooting and when someone else
has.

Mario: I think you have taken on an interesting, emotional and controversial topic. I would find an article on the subject very interesting and thought provoking for us all if it was written from an observer's viewpoint. In other words, pointing out why one way is OK and not the other. Point out the different views and opinions on the various "ethical vs unethical" methods. I think so much of what is accepted/ethical or not is based a lot on accepted norms for the location, culture and tradition. Then we have others that use the media and peers as their moral compass and/or decision making process. As long as it is legal, I try my best to be open minded and respectful of other's "hunting ethics" or accepted and traditional hunting methods.

I pretty much share the views of Saeed and SteveGI on the subject. Although I do not approve of the growing cult that wants to test their "sniper" abilities on animals, I believe each to his own and karma will always catch up with you. The guy with the $45K 4x4 vehicle that is "just trying to feed the family" always forces me to smile and roll my eyes also. At the end of the day we have to live with ourselves.

Good luck Mario and I hope you will share your article with us.

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Originally posted by Dilman:


As a dedicated bowhunter, I do take offence.

Nah. Too easy.

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Originally posted by Dilman:
Yes, Mario. It's a very small hunting community. Now, on with your article about ethics. Perhaps throw in a few pictures of your Asian bowkills to show your talent as a bowhunter, signore.

Sounds interesting!!

the article is finished. Thank you very much to all also for the critics and the attacks...
Keep in mind that I'm not a teacher nor a virgin and in my hunting career I've probably sometimes broken all the rules I've posted.
About my report, I'm not a bow hunter, I do no like bowhunting and simply I do not like to show in my photos that I've used a bow.

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Originally posted by Mario:
in my hunting career I've probably sometimes broken all the rules I've posted.
About my report, I'm not a bow hunter, I do no like bowhunting and simply I do not like to show in my photos that I've used a bow.

'Probably sometimes'? There's an interesting way to phrase a non-committal, half-assed admission. Love to be a fly on the wall at confession. 'Forgive me father, for I have probably maybe sometimes possibly but not definitively perhaps might have done something...'

You don't like bowhunting and don't like to show in your photos that you've used a bow, huh?

OK, that does it. You've been given some generous hints on this abortion of a thread of yours, mostly in an effort to afford you the opportunity to recognize that you're not fooling everyone here, to maybe toss you a bone and save you from any public humiliation out of pity.

Not only did you write up a report that other hunters might rely upon to help them make a decision on doing a similar hunt, but then have the sheer BALLS to start a thread about ETHICS? Disgusting. You have some serious nerve, man.

You should've just left it while you had the chance, retaining some semblance of credibility and respect with some of your fans here. Did you really think that beating this to death with your shameless self-promotion and despicable lies could just go on forever? As Dilman indicated, the hunting community is a fairly small one, relatively speaking. Instead of leaving this alone, you chose not only to keep digging, but traded your trusty shovel in for an excavator.

You're not just a liar sir, but a damned liar, and ought to be ashamed of yourself. You're one of the types of 'hunters' that make the decent, honest ones out there look bad. How some men can look themselves in the mirror I'll never know...

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Originally posted by Kamo Gari:

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Originally posted by Mario:
in my hunting career I've probably sometimes broken all the rules I've posted.
About my report, I'm not a bow hunter, I do no like bowhunting and simply I do not like to show in my photos that I've used a bow.

'Probably sometimes'? There's an interesting way to phrase a non-committal, half-assed admission. Love to be a fly on the wall at confession. 'Forgive me father, for I have probably maybe sometimes possibly but not definitively perhaps might have done something...'

You don't like bowhunting and don't like to show in your photos that you've used a bow, huh?

OK, that does it. You've been given some generous hints on this abortion of a thread of yours, mostly in an effort to afford you the opportunity to recognize that you're not fooling everyone here, to maybe toss you a bone and save you from any public humiliation out of pity.

Not only did you write up a report that other hunters might rely upon to help them make a decision on doing a similar hunt, but then have the sheer BALLS to start a thread about ETHICS? Disgusting. You have some serious nerve, man.

You should've just left it while you had the chance, retaining some semblance of credibility and respect with some of your fans here. Did you really think that beating this to death with your shameless self-promotion and despicable lies. Instead, you chose not only to keep digging, but traded your trusty shovel in for an excavator.

You're not just a liar sir, but a damned liar. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You're one of the types of 'hunters' that make the decent, honest ones out there look bad. How some men can look themselves in the mirror I'll never know...

I'm a PC guy. I'm not a Mac user, I do not like Macs and do not like to be seen in photos using a Mac ...

and I've probably at some point (i.e.: sometimes) broken all the rules ...

There's nothing wrong with what Mario said or how he said it, especially considering English is probably his second language.

Lighten up, Blood; have a sandwich; take a nap.

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Originally posted by SteveGl:

There's nothing wrong with what Mario said or how he said it, especially considering English is probably his second language.

Lighten up, Blood; have a sandwich; take a nap.

If you had any inkling what lies beneath his seemingly innocent statements, you'd be embarrassed to learn just how badly he's playing you, and everyone else here. OK, that's all; I'm done.

Edit: ask your buddy for some details on his bow gear, and the circumstances in which he 'arrowed' his quarry with his despised bow he doesn't like to be pictured with. Go on, ask him.

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Originally posted by Matt Graham:

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Originally posted by Dilman:
Yes, Mario. It's a very small hunting community. Now, on with your article about ethics. Perhaps throw in a few pictures of your Asian bowkills to show your talent as a bowhunter, signore.

Sounds interesting!!

But then, you suspected all along, didn't you Matt?

Mario,

I don't care how you choose to hunt. I really don't care whether it's legal or not. That's your choice. I mind my own business.

I saw your stags here on AR and just chuckled to myself...

But when I saw you start a new thread on "ethics", asking the AR community for feedback I thought it might be time to reevaluate your own. Or, just leave that subject to a more credible outdoor writer.

Salute!!

It is unethical to serve warm beer in camp.

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Originally posted by fairgame:
It is unethical to serve warm beer in camp.

I really must hunt with you some day!


CF

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Originally posted by fairgame:
It is unethical to serve warm beer in camp.