Mozambique

01 August 2012, 21:42

larryshores

Mozambique

My only foray into Mozambique consisted of walking about 2 feet past a marker in the middle of the bush somewhere. I did it just to say I did it.

I am contemplating the possibility of a trip there to hunt. Could anyone give me general impressions of the country please?

I am looking for information on:

1- How hard is it to get there?

2- How difficult to bring your guns?

3- Any safety issues?

4- Game populations? Especially buff and elephant.

5 Areas to avoid?

6- Prime areas?

7- The best operators?

8- The worst operators?

Thanks.

01 August 2012, 22:08

Todd Williams

Larry, I'm booked for next August with Jumbo Moore of Kambaco. Going with Tim Heralds group. He would be a good fellow to speak with about Moz. He is hunting lion there now

01 August 2012, 22:21

Biebs

Larry, my Mozambique trip was one of my best. Moz is like you would imagine African hunting would have been in the 1930s-1960s...quite remote, game-rich, few amenities. I don't remember flights or firearms clearance to be an issue. I'm not sure if the US ban on importing Elephant trophies is still in effect; I know they were considering changing that. You'll love it.

01 August 2012, 23:39

pagosawingnut

Larry,
My only trip to Mozambique was with Safaris de Mocambique ( Simon Rodgers) Had a wonderful time, 4 and 5 start camps, great food, booze is always good, plentiful game....lots of elephants although you can't export ele from Moz to the US. Plenty of buffalo. Got a nice old 41+" hard bossed bull and saw one that should go 45" with soft bosses and a good drop that should be hard enough now or next year to shoot.
Not hard to get to, fly into Harare, they will charter flight you.

01 August 2012, 23:43

PSmith

Gents, I spoke with Jumbo Moore of Kambako a while back; the elephant import ban to US is alive and well, unfortunately.

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01 August 2012, 23:54

Die Ou Jagter

We drove in crossing the border at Kruger and forded the Limpopo river. I hunted near the Moz/Zin border. The drive to camp was on the border one minute in Zim next back in Moz. It is very well I'll say primative drove past many bombed out building from the war. The only "petrol station" we saw sold both gas and diesel by the liter and I mean that literly only had liter bottles on the shelf. I was hunting Suni but some others in camp were hunting DG and had good luck.

02 August 2012, 00:37

jeff h

quote:
Originally posted by PSmith:
Gents, I spoke with Jumbo Moore of Kambako a while back; the elephant import ban to US is alive and well, unfortunately.

I have heard US guys go over and shoot ele. what do they do with the ivory. I would think even if they ever lift the ban they would not let US hunter import ivory from years back. Who gets the ivory?

02 August 2012, 02:02

GunsCore

Mozambique is a great country to hunt. The only negative is the time it takes to get your trohpies exported. It took 30 months from the end of my hunt to when my finished trophies were delivered to my door.

02 August 2012, 03:44

bwanamrm

Larry,
I am leaving September 19th to hunt with Mark Haldane and Zambeze Delta Safaris. All my intel has been very positive. Hunting buff, sable hartebeest, nyala and some of the little guys. Will post a report when I get back.

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And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
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02 August 2012, 04:05

Biebs

Bwana, don't forget to get a Suni and a Blue Duiker while you're there. Plenty of them in Mark's camps. This guy is about as big as a skinny Beagle!

02 August 2012, 08:23

bwanamrm

Jon,
I have a blue duiker but definitely looking for a suni and a red duiker! Cool little animals! Nice suni you have there...

02 August 2012, 08:39

DAL

I hunted just down river from Mary Livingston's grave. It was like I was back in time with her and David! We did not use Argos, all the swamp travel was by machete...lots of buff and ele in the Zambezi swamps. I have awesome memories and pictures of those swamps. The PG seemed a bit scarce and wary, probably from drive-by shooting. Tough on archery hunting. I had not shot anything but bushpig in the first 6 days ( of a 7 day hunt) but it had been my best hunt ever..connected the final afternoon on buff.
Lots of scheduled flights into Maputo, Pemba, Lichinga, etc.
I am going back in Sept for leopard.

02 August 2012, 10:09

jdollar

2 trips there. 1 in Coutada 10 adjoining Mark Haldane's concession, the other on Lake Cahorra Basso. fantastic old time Africa feel and destination.

02 August 2012, 16:14

Die Ou Jagter

Biebs, very nice Suni!

02 August 2012, 18:20

Todd Williams

quote:
Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Biebs, very nice Suni!

02 August 2012, 18:30

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:https://forums.accuratereloading.com/groupee_common/ver1.3.7.9995/platform_images/blank.gif
My only foray into Mozambique consisted of walking about 2 feet past a marker in the middle of the bush somewhere. I did it just to say I did it.

I am contemplating the possibility of a trip there to hunt. Could anyone give me general impressions of the country please?

I am looking for information on:

1- How hard is it to get there?

2- How difficult to bring your guns?

3- Any safety issues?

4- Game populations? Especially buff and elephant.

5 Areas to avoid?

6- Prime areas?

7- The best operators?

8- The worst operators?

Thanks.

I am looking for information on:

1- How hard is it to get there?
Via JHB ( LAM, SAA), or Via Lisbon TAP

2- How difficult to bring your guns?
No Problem you need a Import permit and Customs Paper all done by outfitter before hand

3- Any safety issues?
No except driving

4- Game populations? Especially buff and elephant.
Depending on area and quality from excellent to poor to non existent

5 Areas to avoid?
all NEW areas and with new "Operators"

6- Prime areas?
Prime areas for big elephants are Niassa, for Buffalo Zambezi Delta Coutada's 10, 11 and 14 and the southern bank of Caborra Bassa

7- The best operators?
The ones with a sound and long track record in Mozambique

8- The worst operators?
most of the new guys with the new fantastic areas.

For specific info PM

Cheers

02 August 2012, 18:54

MacD37

I have a couple of question as well! Since you can't import ele to the USA, If you can, what is the number of days do you need to book to take two buffalo, and is the a way one can take three on one safari in Moz?

When Moz opened after the war I was about to book there but was told not to do it because of the uncharted, and abandoned mine fields. Has that been cleaned up?

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02 August 2012, 19:21

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
I have a couple of question as well! Since you can't import ele to the USA, If you can, what is the number of days do you need to book to take two buffalo, and is the a way one can take three on one safari in Moz?

When Moz opened after the war I was about to book there but was told not to do it because of the uncharted, and abandoned mine fields. Has that been cleaned up?

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Mac
No Import of elephant trophy's to the US thanks to USFW can import to Mexico and Canada.

Normally 10 Days for 2 Buff 14 Days for 3 Buff.

Regarding the Land mines most area are cleared and the old operators know if there are mines in the area however the original estimates were highly over inflated (more Money) today there are more Land mines in Zimbabwe then in Mozambique. Generally Mines has been along borders, bridges, dams and around villages / towns and areas of heavy fighting and naturally around military installation and infrastructures deployed.

Cheers

02 August 2012, 19:40

bradking1

Coutada 11 (the Haldane outfit)...best hunt of my life.

02 August 2012, 20:36

MacD37

Thanks Freischuetz, Back in about 1991 or so, when they opened Moz back up for hunting the mines were a large worry because nobody knew exactly where they were! Safaris were very cheap at that time, and the mines were the only reason I booked back in Zambia instead!

In the case of the ele not being importable to the USA, I think I’d book 14 days and take three buffalo instead!
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02 August 2012, 20:39

larryshores

How about shooting the elephant and having a Zim taxidermist make a replica?

02 August 2012, 20:51

MacD37

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
How about shooting the elephant and having a Zim taxidermist make a replica?

That would certainly be an option, and far better than not having the ivory at all! Good luck on your safari Larry, I just re-watched your film "Retun to Save"a couple of days ago, good film!

02 August 2012, 21:04

Larry Sellers

Mac - I knew you were old like me but you were thinking of going to Moz in 1901????

You are really doing well for your age don't you think, wow.

Been to Moz twice, in Coutada 10. Great area, old Africa feel. Have taken Buff, Sable, Leopard, Hippo, Croc, Bushbuck, Warthog, Duiker, Monkey. PM if interested in outfitter used. He is a good one!!

Larry Sellers
SCI Life Member

quote:
Originally posted by MacD37:
Thanks Freischuetz, Back in about 1901 or so, when they opened Moz back up for hunting the mines were a large worry because nobody knew exactly where they were! Safaris were very cheap at that time, and the mines were the only reason I booked back in Zambia instead!

In the case of the ele not being importable to the USA, I think I’d book 14 days and take three buffalo instead!
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02 August 2012, 21:08

Todd Williams

1901 Mac,

Them was the good ole days!!

02 August 2012, 21:12

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by MacD37:

In the case of the ele not being importable to the USA, I think I’d book 14 days and take three buffalo instead!

Let me know when

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02 August 2012, 21:14

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
How about shooting the elephant and having a Zim taxidermist make a replica?

Larry that is not a problem taxidermist in Zim or RSA can do this.

The Tourism & Wildlife School in Niassa got each year a quota for one elephant (fully exportable) for reasonable fees and all the fees minus the cost goes to the school account in support for the school and students equipment. They also got this year a Sable and Leopard available as a separate hunt packet. Best times are mid end October till end November.

02 August 2012, 21:18

Caracal

My experience with Mozambique wasn't great but I went to one of the "new Areas" freischuetz mentioned.

I have not hunted with Kambako safaris but every single report I've read was positive. I'd book with them if I could afford it!

quote:
Originally posted by freischuetz:

The Tourism & Wildlife School in Niassa got each year a quota for one elephant (fully exportable) for reasonable fees and all the fees minus the cost goes to the school account in support for the school and students equipment. They also got this year a Sable and Leopard available as a separate hunt packet. Best times are mid end October till end November.

Can you give me the contact details?

02 August 2012, 21:23

larryshores

I have just seen the price list for elephant in Moz. No doubt, the most expensive elephants in Africa. The license fee is $11,000 with an additional fee based upon the size of the tusks. The MINUMUM additional fee is $20,000. A 100 pounder would cost $111,000! The lowest total fee is $31,000 for an elephant.

The hell with that.

02 August 2012, 21:43

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by Caracal:
My experience with Mozambique wasn't great but I went to one of the "new Areas" freischuetz mentioned.

I have not hunted with Kambako safaris but every single report I've read was positive. I'd book with them if I could afford it!

quote:
Originally posted by freischuetz:

The Tourism & Wildlife School in Niassa got each year a quota for one elephant (fully exportable) for reasonable fees and all the fees minus the cost goes to the school account in support for the school and students equipment. They also got this year a Sable and Leopard available as a separate hunt packet. Best times are mid end October till end November.

Can you give me the contact details?

nhalikanganiassa@gmail.com

Cheers

03 August 2012, 00:16

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
I have just seen the price list for elephant in Moz. No doubt, the most expensive elephants in Africa. The license fee is $11,000 with an additional fee based upon the size of the tusks. The MINUMUM additional fee is $20,000. A 100 pounder would cost $111,000! The lowest total fee is $31,000 for an elephant.

The hell with that.

The new License fee will only be from next year is still around 5000$ for this year and elephant hunting starts about at 35 000.00 to 40 000.00$ for fully exportable 14 days hunt's including day fees, trophy and license fees you can aspect 50lbs plus bull for that price. I think that is competitive and good value for money?

Cheers

03 August 2012, 00:19

larryshores

Check Kambako's website. The fee quoted there are seriously high. $31,000 minimum for license/trophy fee PLUS daily rates.

03 August 2012, 00:36

MARK H. YOUNG

Larry,

You mean $31,000 for lic and basic trophy fee. correct? Daily fees are on top of that.

Mark

03 August 2012, 00:44

larryshores

Mark:

Correct.

According to what I saw, the basic license was $11,000. In addition there was a trophy fee based upon the weight of the heaviest tusk. This ranges from $20,000 to $100,000. In addition, there was the daily rates.

03 August 2012, 00:49

A.Dahlgren

Larry I think Kambako and RWS are on the high end in Moz (they have from what I understand a good ele area with 100 pounders taken some years). You can get it alot cheaper if not looking for that 100 pounder.

03 August 2012, 01:00

freischuetz

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Check Kambako's website. The fee quoted there are seriously high. $31,000 minimum for license/trophy fee PLUS daily rates.

For operators that work under the Niassa Reserve there is an extra fee on top of the license fees etc that the reserve charges the operator but not in the other areas of Mozambique.

Cheers

03 August 2012, 01:04

larryshores

That in interesting and informative. It makes me view Mozambique differently.

03 August 2012, 01:38

Caracal

quote:
Originally posted by larryshores:
Check Kambako's website. The fee quoted there are seriously high. $31,000 minimum for license/trophy fee PLUS daily rates.

I can't find the rates on their Website. Link pls.

03 August 2012, 01:45

larryshores

KAMBAKO SAFARIS
TROPHY FEES 2012 - MOZAMBIQUE
2012 TROPHY & LICENCE FEES

SPECIES TROPHY LICENCE SPECIES TROPHY LICENCE
FEE US$ FEES US$ FEE US$ FEES US$

Baboon - Yellow 100 50 Hyena 1,000 200

Buffalo 2,300 1,200 Impala - Johnston 350 150

Bushbuck 700 200 Kudu 1,200 700

Bushpig 350 120 Leopard 4,000 1600

Crocodile 3,000 500 Lion 15,000 1600

Duiker (common) 400 80 Sable – Roosevelt under 40” 3,500 850
Duiker (red) 1,000 80 Sable – Roosevelt over 40” 5,500 850

Eland male 1,300 900 Suni 1,000 80

Elephant See below 11,000 Warthog 350 120

Grysbok – Sharpes 900 80 Waterbuck 1,800 500

H/beeste - L/stein 1,950 550 W/beeste – Niassa 1,950 550

Hippo 3,100 900 Zebra – Boheme 1,200 800

Elephant Govt & Niassa Licence Fee $11,000 plus Trophy Fee on its heaviest tusk: starting at US$ 20,000
60 - 69 lbs US$ 20,000
70 - 79 lbs US$ 25,000
80 - 89 lbs US$ 35,000
90 - 99 lbs US$ 50,000
Over 99 lbs US$ 100,000

NB. ELEPHANT PENALTY
Any elephant shot with its heaviest tusk weighing under 60lbs will accrue a fine of $10,000 and the minimum trophy fee of $20,000 still has to be paid.

NB. LION POLICY
No lions under six (6) years of age are to be shot. In the event of a lion under 6 years of age being shot without the consent of the Professional Hunter a penalty of $30,000 will be imposed on the client.

NB. BAIT POLICY
Meat used for baiting purposes that has not been hunted by the client:
Leopard & hyena baits - $ 150 / bait
Lion baits - $ 500 / bait