The reason this was brought up again is 500grains is mad and trying to make me look bad because I proved him wrong on another thread.

Now for the Bundu hunt. In retrospect I feel I had a PH problem on my first hunt. Wendell Reich and Licky Abdulla bent over backwards to work it out to my satisfaction.

Adam Clements and Bundu Safari also bent over backwards to resolve the problem, so much so that I have RECOMMENDED Bundu Safaris to several hunters, even a couple here on AR. The camp is first rate and the buff is obviously great. Bundu is giving TGT a run for their money in service and quality. Adam and I talked and resolved our issues.

I met the PH with whom I had the initial problem on the return hunt. We walked along the track, discussed our differences, shook hands and parted ways. The PH enjoyed a good reputation before my hunt and has had great success after my hunt.

I chalk it up to the hunting Gods which can be fickle at times. So to me this is a non-issue, brought up again by someone who has lowered himself to carmello status................JJ

Nope, I don't care, but, thanks for asking anyway.

JJ

I'm glad it all worked out for you. It sounds as if everyone was interested in making things right for you regardless of fault.

Too bad it doesn't always work out that way.

quote:

So to me this is a non-issue, brought up again by someone who has lowered himself to carmello status................JJ

Well since the Easter is over so i wont be polite and say that stop that s... against 500 Grains, he is a real deal and he has the knowledge and wisdom that the trolls doesnt have.

Someone once told me this parable:

A lot of people besides Christ have died on a Friday. But so far the record shows that only He was resurrected on the following Sunday (putting aside for the moment that some might be inclined to dispute even that).

Some of the other Friday decedents have been sorely disappointed, to be sure, when the next Sunday came around only to find that their dirt naps were not interrupted by an Ascension.

But that just means they were missing their humility genes, which is a shame, of course, but which should not bother the rest of us mortals.

Sometimes, and always at the right time, you absolutely must stop arguing and just let the jury decide. Because the bottom line is they'll decide anyway, even if you don't stop arguing, and what's worse is that they'll invariably decide against you.

Mr Rigby, I apoligize, I didn't know that you and Dan have shared camps together, or knew him personaly. Because surely you would not claim to know him from just what he has posted on the internet.

Mr. Rigby, 500grains is who re-started this thread, not me. For some reason he cannot admit he was wrong, or even let it die a quiet death. He has to keep stirring up things...........JJ

quote:

Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
Mr Rigby, I apoligize, I didn't know that you and Dan have shared camps together, or knew him personaly. Because surely you would not claim to know him from just what he has posted on the internet.

Mr. Rigby, 500grains is who re-started this thread, not me. For some reason he cannot admit he was wrong, or even let it die a quiet death. He has to keep stirring up things...........JJ

Excuse me, but yours is the first post on this thread. This thread was started by you. So who is ?

If you will pay attention to the other topics you will see it was brought back up after a long break.

JJ,

Thank you for thinking of me in starting this thread. As I recall from your initial hunt report, you accused Adam of paying your PH to keep you away from the part of the concession that held buffalo because supposedly Adam was hunting there with a big money client. That accusation was shocking, to say the least, and I publicly supported your effort to obtain either a substitute hunt or a refund.

Did your accusation against Adam turn out to be fact or not?

quote:

Originally posted by MLindsay:
If you will pay attention to the other topics you will see it was brought back up after a long break.

I agree, but why in the world would he feel a need to start a brand new thread on it, unless he was just ?

mike, it seems that Dan is to be allowed to do whatever he wishes and its not trolling. But when I attempt to keep things short and in perspective I am .

I have been wrong often in my 46 years and I am willing to bet I'll be wrong again. When I realize I am I apoligize and try and move on. As far as I can tell Dan has been wrong this ONE time, which is a hell of a lot better track record than I have, but he refuses to allow he may have been a little short on being right. So he resorts to going back over my posts searching for something to make me look bad, which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

So thats why in the world.................JJ

Did you try PMing or emailing his to discuss it?

quote:

Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
Mr Rigby, I apoligize, I didn't know that you and Dan have shared camps together, or knew him personaly. Because surely you would not claim to know him from just what he has posted on the internet.

From the people I know of whom have met Dan in real life in person they have all said he is a very nice guy. One said "surprisingly!" A number of people have a shoot with Dan when passing through his home town.

quote:

Mr. Rigby, 500grains is who re-started this thread, not me. For some reason he cannot admit he was wrong, or even let it die a quiet death. He has to keep stirring up things...........JJ

No JJMiller, you started this thread.

***

Enough of that, I'm not interested in the flame wars, lets get to African Hunting as this forum is supposed to be, and especially your Hunt Report and the specific facts about it.

quote:

from your initial hunt report, you accused Adam of paying your PH to keep you away from the part of the concession that held buffalo because supposedly Adam was hunting there with a big money client.

Since Rusty pointed out that statement was by Ganyana I have edited this post to take out incorrect statements - i have kept a copy for JJ Miller if he wants to see them)

Dan,
Wasn't it Ganyana who brought up the subject of the PH being paid off?

quote:

Rumor mill reaching down here says that the PH was taking instructions/Money from a rival booking agent to not deliver the goods and that similar instructions had been given out previously. Your comments please on these alegations?

Maybe I missed JJ saying anything about that?

quote:

Originally posted by Rusty:
Dan,
Wasn't it Ganyana who brought up the subject of the PH being paid off?

quote:

Rumor mill reaching down here says that the PH was taking instructions/Money from a rival booking agent to not deliver the goods and that similar instructions had been given out previously. Your comments please on these alegations?

Maybe I missed JJ saying anything about that?

Rusty

After your post I also went back through the relevant thread and realised you were right. The "rumour" was posted by two other persons. So I have edited my earlier post and I apologise to JJ Miller if it caused offence. (I have a copy of it if he wants to read it).

Isn't this getting a bit old.

Wow, that's 3 minutes I'll never have back.

Note to self: Stop opening these types of threads.

Kyler

Kyler
You have the best post on this thread.

I have some links:

Famous blood feuds

The Campbell - MacDonald feud, including the Massacre of Glencoe
The Capone - Moran feud, including the St. Valentine's Day massacre
The Clanton/McLaury - Earp feud
The Donnelly - Lucan community feud
The Gunn - Keith feud
The Hatfield - McCoy feud
The Lancaster - York feud
The Percy - Neville feud
The Talbot - Berkeley feud
Njál's saga, an Icelandic account of a Celtic-Nordic blood feud
The Pleasant Valley War


Darn, the links didn't come through so you will have to go there yourself.

Rusty,

Thanks for finding that quote! It was a shocking accusation when made, and I hope that JJ can confirm for us that it turned out to be untrue. It is definitely not good for the hunting industry to have such rumors floating about. Better to have them shown to be false or proven true so that we can all act accordingly. The cloud that the rumor leaves is bad for all.

___


JJ,

You have asked me to admit that I am wrong because you proved me so. (???) I think you are referring to Echols and Miller making 375 Rugers. Echols is not making them or taking orders for them. He posted here on AR that he would need orders for at least 30 rifles ($300K to $500K) for it to make economic sense for him to do the project, and it still didn't make sense since he is already set up to make at least least one ballistic twin of the 375 Ruger. So it is very far from clear that Mr. Echols would ever make a 375 Ruger. Concerning Mr. Miller, another forumite reported that he had talked about the 375 Ruger. But he has not taken an order for such a rifle, he is not advertising them and he has not built a prototype in .375 Ruger. So I don't think you have shown that any high end rifle maker is making the 375 Ruger.

If you do, however, I will of course acknowledge the proof and I may even agree to abandon the spelling 'Rooger'.

quote:

I hope that JJ can confirm for us that it turned out to be untrue.

Since JJ had nothing to do with that rumor, then I suspect that Ganyana would be the person to ask?

You haven't heard anything? Have you Dan?

quote:

Originally posted by Rusty:

quote:

I hope that JJ can confirm for us that it turned out to be untrue.

Since JJ had nothing to do with that rumor, then I suspect that Ganyana would be the person to ask?

You haven't heard anything? Have you Dan?

It's an open secret that VIPs get bettter animals and better treatment than regular hunters in most of the World.

Why is anyone surprised?

This is how it goes in the hunting world, Wendell, Licky, and Adam did what they could to correct a problem at great personal expense to all three. My added expense in this matter was $7000.00 in additional air fees. I don't think that would have happened if I had been a whinning shit. All involved realized something had went wrong but we did not digress to angry name calling. Everyone took the high road and solved the problem

So that left me, I deceided that I could take a day and go to another camp and meet with the PH and attempt to sort out what went wrong. As I said I told him what I thought, the PH told me what he thought and we parted on good terms. I don't know how more plain I can be. I think its a credit to Wendell, Licky Adam and the PH that we were able to sort things out and we all parted on friendly terms................JJ

quote:

Originally posted by Rusty:

quote:

I hope that JJ can confirm for us that it turned out to be untrue.

Since JJ had nothing to do with that rumor, then I suspect that Ganyana would be the person to ask?

You haven't heard anything? Have you Dan?

Rusty, second hand information from me would not be as good as info from one of the parties involved, such as JJ. I was merely hoping that JJ could/would remove the cloud from Adam's operation.

Dan, no one thinks there is a " cloud over Adams operation " as you put except you. Do you have an ax to gring with Adam also ? It was resolved to everyones satisfaction except yours for some reason. I'll say it again, its a non-issue, dead horse, that dog won't hunt, old news. To keep this up any further is simply carmello-izing the issue, again..........JJ

quote:

Originally posted by JJ_Miller:
Dan, no one thinks there is a " cloud over Adams operation " as you put except you. Do you have an ax to gring with Adam also ? It was resolved to everyones satisfaction except yours for some reason. I'll say it again, its a non-issue, dead horse, that dog won't hunt, old news. To keep this up any further is simply carmello-izing the issue, again..........JJ

How do you know it was resolved to everyones satisfaction? Have you polled every member here? Has every member told you they're satisfied with the resolution? I didn't think so.

Did every member go on his hunt or help pay for it? Nope, so the only one's that need to be satisfied are the hunter, booking agent, outfitter, and PH.

quote:

Originally posted by M70Nut:
Did every member go on his hunt or help pay for it? Nope, so the only one's that need to be satisfied are the hunter, booking agent, outfitter, and PH.

M70Nut - You're undoubtedly a very nice fellow.

JJ, if a hurtful accusation is made and not contradicted or withdrawn, it can continue to do damage in the future. That is why I thought you might at least contradict it. I have not done any business with Adam and I wish him all the best. Clearly the fact that he is booked solid 3+ years in advance speaks very well.

quote:

Originally posted by M70Nut:
Did every member go on his hunt or help pay for it? Nope, so the only one's that need to be satisfied are the hunter, booking agent, outfitter, and PH.

But don't you think most people who are dropping a lot of their hard earned money on a Safari should have confidence in who they're giving their money to? IMO, if someone has a problem, and it's not resolved to their satisfaction, I'd like to know the details.

quote:

This is how it goes in the hunting world, Wendell, Licky, and Adam did what they could to correct a problem at great personal expense to all three. My added expense in this matter was $7000.00 in additional air fees. I don't think that would have happened if I had been a whinning shit. All involved realized something had went wrong but we did not digress to angry name calling. Everyone took the high road and solved the problem

So that left me, I deceided that I could take a day and go to another camp and meet with the PH and attempt to sort out what went wrong. As I said I told him what I thought, the PH told me what he thought and we parted on good terms. I don't know how more plain I can be. I think its a credit to Wendell, Licky Adam and the PH that we were able to sort things out and we all parted on friendly terms................JJ

Dan,
according to JJ from the above quote, things were taken care of.

Any other rumor you'll probably just have to take them up with the head mongerer of that rumor. N'est-ce pas?

quote:

From the people I know of whom have met Dan in real life in person they have all said he is a very nice guy. One said "surprisingly!" A number of people have a shoot with Dan when passing through his home town.

funny things hppen when people dont have a computer to hide behind.

quote:

Originally posted by mikeh375:

quote:

Originally posted by M70Nut:
Did every member go on his hunt or help pay for it? Nope, so the only one's that need to be satisfied are the hunter, booking agent, outfitter, and PH.

But don't you think most people who are dropping a lot of their hard earned money on a Safari should have confidence in who they're giving their money to? IMO, if someone has a problem, and it's not resolved to their satisfaction, I'd like to know the details.

But it was resolved to their satisfaction, the hunter, PH, outfitter and booking agent are all satisfied with the end result and that was making sure the hunter got what he paid for, if they weren't then i'm sure they would say something. If your not satisfied with the way things turned out for JJ then maybe you should send him a pm or to one of the other parties involved.

I have it in good authority that Dan openly and blatantly juggles kittens and tortures lawn moths, while jj is the illegitimate offspring of card-carrying COMMUNIST attorneys.

Maybe this will turn the conversation to a new course.

At the expense of sounding clueless, what does "carmello status mean?


Dutch

Just sittin in the gutter sluggin rats.

Isn't there anything more important or at least more interesting to talk about on here?

465H&H

quote:

Originally posted by Dutch44:
At the expense of sounding clueless, what does "carmello status mean?


Dutch

Just sittin in the gutter sluggin rats.

Do a search for posts under that user name and you will understand

Or, he could just send a PM to JOEYBONES (formerly Carmello).

Now damn it luv2 safari, you done gone too far. What in the hell do you mean illegitmate, I can read as good as the next feller ..................JJ