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I seldom see threads about hunting buff In Mozambique. Is there some reason for this?

Facts,Opinions and Pontifications are welcome. Wink


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Posts: 980 | Location: Illinois | Registered: 04 January 2003Reply With Quote
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Expensive.....


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Define expensive. Buff hunting in Mozambique in '04 was $650/day for a very comfortable camp, and it was a camp, not a lodge or a tent site, plus trophie fees. The Zambezi delta abounds in game of many sorts and I would recommend it highly. I've been there twice and wouldn't hesitate to go back except that I've developed a nasty allergy to the local gnats. Maybe if I kept my sleeves down . . .


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Barrie Duckworth has a million acres over there on Coutada 9. He charges less than his Zim prices in that you can hunt buffalo/sable for $750 per day. Reasonable expections should be for a buff or sable or 38"-40" plus several animals are available that are not found in Zim.

I'm always available if you'd like to know more.

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Posts: 13135 | Location: LAS VEGAS, NV USA | Registered: 04 August 2002Reply With Quote
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Moz is no more expensive than Zim. In some cases, it is cheaper.

Remember, Mozambique is a huge country. It touches Tanzania and South Africa (among others). The prices will vary depending on the area.
 
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Again since I see little written about Moz. Is it hunted as much as other countrys? again with dfocuson Buff.


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Wendell,

Who bought Piet Hougard's concession? Do you represent the new owner?
 
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When visiting my taxidermist I often see very nice trophies coming from Moçambique.
But I also hear a lot of complaint about the way the trophies are handled: rotten hides; deficient skinning; lousy dipping and packing; etc…
I suppose it doesn’t happen with each and every operator but we have to realise that most of the staff doing the field preparation of the trophies doesn’t have much experience yet.
Daily rates are reasonable when compared with other countries (i.e. Tanzania) but then trophy fees seem very high! So I guess it all depends on for how many days you are planning to hunt and what animals to take.

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Wendell,

Who bought Piet Hougard's concession? Do you represent the new owner?


500, when did this occur? Had not heard about this.
 
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A month or two ago.
 
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No, it was supposed to happen a month or two ago. I am not certain it has happened yet. Piet will remain as the man in charge, he did not sell out completely.
 
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Do you represent the new owner?


We will see. I sure like that area. The ph's manager and staff will all remain the same. Piet will stay on as head-honcho. He tells me there will be no change, nobody will notice a difference.

Still I am holding 2006 deposits here until I am comfortable with it.
 
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Let me start by saying that I have not hunted in Mozambique so an expert I am not. I do have a close friend who hunted there two years ago and from what he said it appeared to be expensive. He was hunting buffalo and Sable in Moz and was not successful. Last year he did the same hunt in Zim and he said his total cost was much less. I think what made the difference was the cost of Air charter and then all the logistics of the hunt. My understanding of Moz is that the trophy fees are on par with other countries however the daily rates and transportation costs tend to be higher due to the lack of good roads in the country. Once again I may be totally incorrect with these assumptions.


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Last time I hunted Mozambique was in the south and I will never go back, I was water logged and wrinkled from the armpits down and my head and shoulders were moskie bait..The moskies formed a ball in front of my face and fed greedily until I was consumed!! thumbdown bawling jump

The North of Mozambique is quite a different proposition, and can be quite good if you have a good concession there...Johan Calitz recently got a great concession there just across the line...but I have not been there in years, it got to be a hotbed at one time, but things have settled down I think....


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My friend had the same report. 3 of the 4 in their group got Malaria. Their trip was quite the adventure. The charter plane sheared a wing on landing in camp. The PH crashed an ultralight while scouting for Buffalo. Another guy broke his collar bone in an ATV accident... needless to say they were happy to get back home even with no Buffalo taken.


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Swamps, mozzies, malaria! All walking, no roads. Don't you guys want to have a safari just like Selous?
 
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We had a great trip. Our charter flight was flawless, the camp was very comfortable, the food was great and the game was plentiful. A zombie buff almost got me but the PH spined him at 25 yards and closing so "no blood, no foul". I have developed an allergy to the gnats who are unaffected by bug juice but mosquitoes were no problem with enough Deet. If I kept my sleeves rolled down, I'd probably have had no problems with the gnats. If you can't crawl through a swamp for your buff, maybe you are shooting, not hunting. Big Grin


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Everyone associates Mozambique with swamps. There are swampy concessions, but not all of the country is like that. Take the area I hunted. It is Zambezi Valley country. It borders Dande North and looks just like it. Not a swamp in sight. Great Buffalo hunting.

I have a theory, it is based on little research and do not let anyones feelings get hurt, but ... a lot of these disaster hunts that go on in Mozambique are by inexperienced South African PH's with little or no experience in dangerous game. They buy quota from an operator in these swampy areas and take their South African plainsgame hunting clients into these areas and have terrible hunts.

Of course this is not always the case, nor is it even half the time, but I think more often than some care to admit, this happens and it is a disaster looking for a place to happen.

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Yes the North is fine, like I said above...The South sucks IMO....

I am waiting for the day they open up the elephant hunting to USA clients....Going to shoot some damn big elephants there is my prediction....


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Where is this Coutada 9 area? I tried a few searches for maps without succces.


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My friend Tino Erasmus is in Moz at the moment hunting buff, ha has quite a few hunts there each year. You can contact him through T.G. Safaris, they´ve had som special offers this year.


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Coutada 9 is just south of the Zambezi about midway from lake Cabora Bassa to the Indian ocean and less than a days drive from Harare in Zimbabwe. If you have a copy of the African Hunter II it shows it quite plainly.

This area has the least expensive sable/buff hunts in the wildest country that I personally know about.

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I hunted Coutada 10 in 2001. It is some very unique hunting in some very unique country. If dry conditions cause you any problems in other countries/areas, try the swamps of Mozambique. I shot a 36" buffalo while standing up in an Argo. The buff was at about 7 yards and had no idea we were there. (I actually shot him out of self defense because my PH said we would fly camp in the swamp if we didn't get one that day!) I was already sick with a terrible cold and sinus congestion. I couldn't stomach the thoughts of sleeping in there. Plus I didn't have enough rope with me to tie myself to the Argo and keep the mosquitos from carrying my away.

The camp was very nice but if you don't cope well with high temps and high hunidity, you may want to look at the northern part of the country.

Seriously, it was a neat experience and the next day, I did take a 40.5" sable which is the most beautiful animal I have ever seen.

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Coutada 9 is just south of the Zambezi about midway from lake Cabora Bassa to the Indian ocean and less than a days drive from Harare in Zimbabwe. If you have a copy of the African Hunter II it shows it quite plainly.

This area has the least expensive sable/buff hunts in the wildest country that I personally know about.

Regards,

Mark


Mark Thank you that's the combination I'm looking for Wink


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Saw a video on the outdoor channel on hunting the south. It was a sough african PH with an ultralight in the swamps. They spent most of their time stuck in the mud or wading waist deep channels. Huge herds of buffalo though and it looked like a great place to hunt on elephant back.
 
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I hunted Moz. last fall for buff., I believe it's Sofala Prov. Saw plenty of game but few buff. The grass was still high & the jungle thick, so seeing much of anything was a chore. Then spent 2 1/2 days in the swamp, that is an adventure for sure, not for the faint of heart. Shot my buff. but he was a small one. It was a great stalk though & a one shot kill, so I guess I can't complain for my 1st one. I'll agree w/ Ray though, The northern part of the country is very, very diff. from the middle & southern areas. Very expensive game fees & charter (still pissed about that one, another story) & don't forget the VAT. Good experience, but I'll probably not go back.


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Guys,

This Coutada 9 has no swamp. The tall grass does make the hunting difficult until at least August with September until the rains the best.
I personally will be there late September '07.

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Ray,

Buzz Charlton is advertising exportable ele. in Moz. Price is right too at $15K total including trophy fee. His website is http://www.cmsafaris.com. Look at the "Specials" area.

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Originally posted by Brett: ...Buzz Charlton is advertising exportable ele. in Moz....
Brett, "exportable" yes, but not "importable" into the US at this time. You can shoot one, but must leave the ivory behind until if/when it can be imported, or make another plan (like export it to another country).
 
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Bill,

So only to Europe? Strange that he does not specify that... I am a bit confused by the CITES rules.

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Americans can hunt Elephant in Mozmabique. They can even export the ivory.

However they better export it to their summer home in the UK or Mexico as the USF&W will not issue an import permit for Mozambique ivory yet. John Jackson told me, they will someday, but he had no idea when.

Probably sometime after he sues them.
 
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Wendell,

So USF&W is the issue? Can you comment further, is there a CITES quota for Moz? I'm so confused...

Best regards;
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