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If you were to see yourself faced with a rear end lengthway shot at a bull Eland at around 250-270yds and you had two of your rifles at your disposal,both of which you were well aquanted and confident with, and these were the loads you had on hand, 220gn/.300mag superpremium@2800fps. 270g/.375 superpremium@2700fps Would you prefer the larger SD 220gn/30cal,or the heavier momentum 270gn/.375 Does the extra momentum of the 375 pill make up for what it looses in SD to the 30cal? IE; do you see one being any more effective than the other in regards to penetration? | ||
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.375 with 300 grain north fork http://www.northforkbullets.com | |||
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Quite honestly I think either load would work plenty well. But for argument's sake, I would say the 220 Grain out of the .300 Mag. And no, I don't see either being any more effective regarding penetration. From that distance, this type of shot is a bad idea though. --->Happiness is nothing but health and a poor memory<---Albert Schweitzer --->All I ever wanted was to be somebody; I guess I should have been more specific<---Lily Tomlin | |||
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"More is better" The obvious answer is the bigger bullet. But either way, you are getting at the far end of the range and with a poor target presentation. Personally, I wouldn't take the shot until it turns broadside and if I had a very solid rest. I know there are a lot of people who talk about 250+ yard shots on game in the field like it's a gimme, but not me. | |||
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It is probably a moot point as to penetration and would be relatively equal in energy and penetration (poor). However, why would you take a shot like that on any animal let alone something as large as an eland unless it was already wounded? That isnt going to result in a very happy outcome most of the time. I predict a long unproductive day of tracking and a trophy fee going south. I am not saying that either gun is not up to the task. I am saying it is a poor shot and should not be taken. The odds of getting enough penetration to go end to end are not good unless you are using solids. Even then I dont think the shot should be taken unless it is a matter of trying to anchor an already wounded critter. If you want to hunt, then hunt and get closer and or wait for a better shot. If not it just becomes an exercise in shooting and will be an expensive lesson at that. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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Neither...that shot is a very bad idea and unethical in my view Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I'm glad to read others whom view shooting any unwounded game in the ass as unethical as well as poor shot judgement. Like Mike Smith said you want to hunt or just target practice? | |||
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I once had a going away shot at a wounded Eland. The shot was more like 150 yds. as I recall, but I took it offhand with my 416 Rem. Presented the situation you propose with a wounded Eland, I would pick the 300 Mag. I have had less than stellar penetration with premium 270 Gr. bullets, one failing to completely penetrate a quartering Warthog. JD | |||
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Eland outweigh buffalo..for a raking shot on Eland I would want a flat nose solid or better yet a Northfork cup point... Probably best not to shoot Eland up the keyster unless he is already wounded... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Oh an I would opt for a 375 H&H with a super premium 300 gr. bullet like the Northfork cup point for Eland although the 300 with 200 or 220 gr. Noslers will work, but not ideal especially on raking shots... BTW I have no use for 270 gr. bullets in the .375 for big stuff...a monolithic being the exception. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I wouldn't take that shot with either. Dave "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value." -Thomas Paine, "American Crisis" | |||
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Jackels the only thing I can think of shooting at that distance on past trips.That shot on an eland is not something I would do either. Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial. | |||
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If this were a wounded animal - I would choose the .375 with a 270g Barnes TSX bullet. But as it was stated before, I would not take the shot at an Eland that was not already wounded. Lance Lance Larson Studio lancelarsonstudio.com | |||
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Rear end shot!  I won't take it. the only time I would shoot is if the animal is wounded and heading out of the country! I think I would be more comfortable with the 375 have taken two Eland, one with a .270 and one with a .416, both put them down with one shot. "America's Meat - - - SPAM" As always, Good Hunting!!! Widowmaker416 | |||
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Your're making a mistake with either load, pass on it. | |||
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.375 H&H with 300 gr of super premium bullet. I had a bad experience with eland in 1986, with my.375 H&H and factory .300 Silvertip's. Was a big eland of 1.000 pounds, more or less, and was necessary four shots to kill them. All in good place, the first shot in the neck at 100 meters and the last three in the chest. The last one -the dead shot- at seven meters to me. Poor penetration of the Silverstip's. My last time of use of factory ammo. (Sorry for my bad English) Hector | |||
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I think the initial question was answered best by African Hunter. There would be no reason at those ranges to be shooting an eland from the rear. Now at fairly close range at an unaware animal with enough horsepower I would and have taken several going away shots at big animals including buffalo. When that bullet travels the whole length of the body it realy does an enormous amount of damage. As in any shot it has to be placed correctly to hit the vitals. I think particularly Americans are prejudiced against the shot because older soft points would destroy so much edible meat and they just didn't penetrate enough to cleanly kill the families meat deer or elk. Today ammo works much better and if the animal you want is walking over the hill and you have enough gun you better take the shot. Regards, Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I have absolutly no problem with a rearend shot on Eland or anything else if you got enough gun to get a bullet in the heart lung area...I don't see why it makes any difference as long as you destroy the engine...A raking shot is deadlier than the broadside shot, if you use enough gun...I have killed many buffalo with a raking shot solid in my 40 calibers.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I agree with Mark, and Ray, sometimes the south end shot is the best shot you can take, and is deadly as any other shot if placed right with enough gun, shooting the right bullet! As to the origenal question in this string, I will always take the 375 H&H over any 30 cal on heavy animals what ever the range, as long as it is within my personal capability. I wouldn't take the shot discribed with either from the rear, and I don't think I'd take from the front! That, however, has nothing to do with the two chamberings posted here, but it is that I think this is not an ethical shot on something a big and tough an unwounded Eland bull! Get closer, or look for another one!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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I admit I dont like the rear end shots. That is my choice. I will also admit I dont hesitate to use them when needed, at reasonable ranges, not 250 to 270 yards on unwounded animals. I see no reason to take a shot like that on an unwounded animal at that distance. That is particularly true of something as large as an eland. I have killed eland at 70 yards with one shot from a 300wm using 180grn TBBC. I have also seen it take 3 or 4 good shots from a 375 HH to put them down. The "Texas Heart Shot" is one of the most damaging out there if done correctly. There is a time and a place for its use. This isnt one of them. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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I agree the range factor does come into play, and I would not take a rear end shot at beyond 200 yards except on rare ocassions and with enough gun to shoot lengthwise through the Eland... I did shoot an enormous bull Eland on one ocassion with such a shot with my 416 and at the insistence of my PH who knew I could make the shot, with a good steady rest and he was standing looking back at us, he dropped at the shot. That shot was about 300 yards and I made an exception at his insistence, probably shouldn't have done it, but thats hunting, sometimes you just take those shots against your better judgment and anyone that doubts that hasn't hunted a hell of a lot.... Bottom line is I don't believe any PH would normaly allow such a shot except under certain conditions... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I would go with the 375 | |||
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Isn't anyone concerned about ruining those excellent eland steaks? I think the client should pass on the shot, track the eland another 60 miles or so until another shot presents itself, and take the eland broadside. | |||
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