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I just received my online Safari Times newsletter. In it the current president outlines some of the steps SCI looks to take for future growth. One of the items states,"member growth through acquisition of like-minded organizations that will come with the inevitable consolidation in our industry". Does anyone know what that means? | ||
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Maybe SCI is for sale..... Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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Maybe??  ____________________________________________ "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett. | |||
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Yeah, it means SCI does not see itself as an organization to promote a cause it sees itself as a public for profit corporation (disguised as a non-profit) and intends to behave that way. One of the unique imperatives about a public for profit corporation is "the growth imperative" and apparently SCI sees growth of itself as a requirement. Not growth of hunters but growth of hunters who are members of SCI. It would appear that SCI sees itself in competition with RMEF, Ducks Unlimited, etc. Sure in one sense they are in competition with them for donations but it is a rather telling statement that SCI Management sees a requirement to "buy out" other non profits like RMEF or Quail Unlimited in order to survive. Just another characteristic of a management team more interested in power than they are interested in performance. Imagine yourself a member of Pheasants Forever and you are a "fly on the wall" at a Quail Unlimited meeting and the President of Quail unlimited said we need to buy out Pheasants Forever in order to maintain growth and that it is inevitable because of consolidation in the non profit hunting clubs. What would you think? The underlying motivation for that is always some form of increasing "profit". Profit maybe power or prestige but the motivation is likely very inconsistent with the true mission statement of the organization. Mike Legistine actu? Quid scripsi?[/] [i] Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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"Consolidation" is usually great for the bottom line of corporations but is rarely a positive reality for "consumers" and let's face it, hunters are the "consumers" of the "services" being offered by SCI and other organizations. SCI trying to enhance its bottom line in this way will NOT ensure that the services we receive from them and other organizations are delivered well. It may in fact do the opposite as monopoly power develops. Further, SCI becoming more "powerful" will not at all mean that their actions are more powerful in our favor...only that they become more powerful with respect to other organizations that also act in our favor. Personally, and I don't care who it is, I don't want just ONE organization speaking for all hunters. | |||
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There going to buy out DSC.  Thanks! Brian Clark Blue Skies Hunting Adventures www.blueskieshunting.com Email at: info@blueskieshunting.com African Cape Trophy Safaris www.africancapesafaris.com Email at: brian@africancapesafaris.com 1-402-689-2024 | |||
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Nah....maybe HSC (Houston) Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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I don't see aquisition of other organizations as a very successful way of increasing membership. doubling someones memppership dues aren't going to get it done. NRA Life Memebr | |||
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I highly doubt HSC could ever be bought...it has some of the wealthiest hunters in the country for members...and they like having their own club. I'm a member, but not a wealthy one!  And DSC is kicking butt for memberships, there's no way they are selling out. Plus there is already a membership cross-over, which wouldn't really provide large increases in membership for SCI...so I would think going after smaller, non-safari based groups would be the ticket. | |||
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I suspect they might be able to fold Blair Worldwide Hunting into their membership services fairly cheaply.......  xxxxxxxxxx When considering US based operations of guides/outfitters, check and see if they are NRA members. If not, why support someone who doesn't support us? Consider spending your money elsewhere. NEVER, EVER book a hunt with BLAIR WORLDWIDE HUNTING or JEFF BLAIR. I have come to understand that in hunting, the goal is not the goal but the process. | |||
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 Well, they certainly share a lot of the same values.  Cheers, ~ Alan Life Member NRA Life Member SCI email: editorusa(@)africanxmag(dot)com African Expedition Magazine: http://www.africanxmag.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/alan.p.bunn Twitter: http://twitter.com/EditorUSA Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. ~Keller To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; to be credible we must be truthful. ~ Murrow | |||
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Predictable Bunn  comment!!Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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+1  Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Very nice post Mike. Lots of food for thought on that plate. Dave Fulson | |||
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Mike, you made an interesting comment about Quail Unlimited and Pheasants Forever. It may interest you to know the President and the Vice President of each org are one in the same. Interesting, eh. | |||
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Double dipping maybe?  Larry Sellers SCI Life Member
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Well how many double dippers are posters on this board? | |||
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This word consolidation seems to be getting thrown around alot lately. I'm reading my new issue of Fair Chase, Boone and Crockett Club's magazine. In the From the President article, consolidation raises up again like in the SCI article. He mentions that there are lot of conservation organizations and missions. And that some consolidation or unity in this area would be more effective and helpful to the industry. This was apparently the results of interviews during the SHOT show. The only thing most folks knew about the Boone and Crockett Club was in regards to the record books and not the many conservation efforts they do. They listed three items they found out from the interviews and how to maybe do better. The consolidation was the third item. The matter of consolidation being brought up by two major organizations in such a short period of time raises a flag for me. Any one else have some thoughts on this matter? | |||
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I think for some organizations, its not a matter if they should, but rather that they must. Most of the non-profits outdoor clubs are 501c(4)'s. You can look at their books, and see if they are "ripe" for consolidation. The bad part is that each organization brings aunique perspective to conservation - which may be lost. The interesting thing to watch is to see who winds up as bed partners..... Never follow a bad move with a stupid move. | |||
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"Any one else have some thoughts on this matter?" IMO, it's all about strengthening our political impact. Membership numbers are important when lobbying and fighting for causes in Congress and state legislatures. The anti-hunting organizations went through a consolidation and expansion phase a few years ago, and some of the most rabid animal rights leaders wound up leading much larger groups. Bill Quimby | |||
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Bill, Would this be a viable way for conservation minded hunting organizations to more effectively lobby Congress? I wonder what the first step would be to consolidate? If the current hunting organizations were to come together with like-minded goals, it would be quite a powerful tool. | |||
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ain't going to happen- too many big egos involved. the only way consolidation will occur is through "hostile takeovers". Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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For someone who has no ongoing interest in SCI - you sure like to talk about them a lot!!  A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Yes it would, but I'm afraid jdollar is correct. It isn't going to happen precisely because of the ego factor. The anti-hunters were able to unite because they have a single common cause, which is to ban hunting. Bill Quimby | |||
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It sounds like a lot of things in life. We become our own worst enemy. We've seemed to have lost our direction, and the original goals of the organizations. In favor of egos, competition, and greed. Too bad. It's not about the game anymore, or the chase. But more about success and record books. No adventure. | |||
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Does this sound like a hunting club that is more interested in success and record books??? Larry Rudolph Addresses United Nations A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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Matt, Sadly it does sound that way. | |||
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So all of the good work that those 200 odd chapter plus thousands of volunteers do is all just BS then?? When you criticise the organisation in a generalised way you also criticise all of its members...  A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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since this post is by someone who was intimately involved with SCI and its leadership for years, you still want to tell me i am wrong Matt? get your head out of the sand( or somewhere) and face facts. the SCI board( who run things with basically no input from the general membership( witness that unlike the NRA, there is no election of officers by the members)is all about records, circles, plaques, rings, convention attendance, free(as in paid for by the club) travels to Jackson Hole, Scottsdale, Washington or wherever else a junket can be half way justified. Do they do some good work for hunters- ABSOLUTELY. Do they seek input from their members- NEVER. Is it a "good old boys" club? Yes and has been every since C.J. McElroy founded it. You would be really enlightened to sit up in the Patron's Club( which you may well have never heard of, since the membership isn't open to just anyone) above the convention floor and overhear the conversations that whirl around among the club movers and shakers. been there, done that, opened my eyes a bit. SCI is a multi-million dollar business with a stated purpose of advocating for hunters rights- and they do. but they also waste a helluva lot of money in seeing to it that the officers/administrators enjoy the perks that come with their office. Vote Trump- Putin’s best friend… To quote a former AND CURRENT Trumpiteer - DUMP TRUMP | |||
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Since you are talking about me, let me emphasize the word "WAS." I retired in 1999, twelve years ago, and have had no insights whatsoever into what happens today. Also, the Patrons' Club (in the old days) consisted of people who spent more than a certain dollar amount (let's say $50,000-$75,000) in convention auctions. They were given VIP treatment at the next convention, including hotel room upgrades and limo service to and from the airport, much like casinos treat high-rollers. I have no idea if there still is such a thing. Bill Quimby | |||
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I'm the first to admit SCI's faults AND give them a hard time about it... but to constanty sit around a public forum and continuously bitch about this organisation, in a highly embellished fashion, like an old woman, just gets really tiresome. So you've quit SCI - you're entitled to do what the hell you like in that regard but seriously, enough is enough, unless you uncover some NEW SCI conspiracy!!! Others may be encouraged to join SCI and progress through their ranks (which they can) and help make this club even better. A day spent in the bush is a day added to your life Hunt Australia - Website Hunt Australia - Facebook Hunt Australia - TV | |||
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