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Originally posted by Bwanamich:
Hi Andrew,

One lion was taken along the Rufiji river (Northern Selous) and the other around Madaba area (Central Selous) according ot the titles on the pics.

I don't think many are keeping stats on lion sucess rates since the intro of the 6 year rule - if they are they are not publicising as often as before because they are definetely not 100% anymore like they used to be.

What is certain is that the vast majority of lion taken in TZ in recent seasons are under 6, plenty PHs have been fined and a few may have even "striked out" (3 fines and you lose your license!). Personally, I would guess that countrywide success rate is under 15% for a 6 year old lion. I doubt it is any higher in any country that still allows lion hunting and applies the same rule.

Plenty PHs are still "learning" to determine a 6+ lion and for sure there are lot's of underhanded deals taking place to cover mistakes up

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More evidence that Selous lion do develop substantial manes if allowed to mature to their full potential contrary to what many PHs and outfitters have preached to clients over the decades.Follow the link to TBGS 2014 lion trophy gallery. Selous lion with full manes

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Sadly, many PHs want the trophy fee rather than let the lion mature. I shot a lion in the Selous in 2006. My PH told me it was a 5 1/2 year old adult male and his mane was poor due to his life in the thorns. Later, others who saw my photos told me it was a 2 1/2 year old sub adult who should have been allowed to mature. Live and learn, I guess.
Cal

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Sadly, many PHs want the trophy fee rather than let the lion mature. I shot a lion in the Selous in 2006. My PH told me it was a 5 1/2 year old adult male and his mane was poor due to his life in the thorns. Later, others who saw my photos told me it was a 2 1/2 year old sub adult who should have been allowed to mature. Live and learn, I guess.
Cal

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Originally posted by fairgame:

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Originally posted by cal pappas:
Sadly, many PHs want the trophy fee rather than let the lion mature. I shot a lion in the Selous in 2006. My PH told me it was a 5 1/2 year old adult male and his mane was poor due to his life in the thorns. Later, others who saw my photos told me it was a 2 1/2 year old sub adult who should have been allowed to mature. Live and learn, I guess.
Cal

That is fraudulent.

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Originally posted by ledvm:

Maybe TZ will get the ele poaching thing under control before it's too late. Ele, with their long lifespans, will have a more difficult road to recovery though I am afraid.