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I quite realize that in posting this I am going to make myself extremely unpopular with some of you. So be it. I can take it, but I cannot bear to remain quiet any longer. I've just read the posting on the supposed offer by the Zimbabwean Government to sell elephants to reduce the numbers. This got me thinking about the extremely sorry state of the Zimbabwean economy, the wildlife and life in general in that country. It also made me remember the day when Ian Smith announced that they would go-it-alone. I recall the outcry by the world at large about it. Do you remember the reaction of governments to bring 'majority rule' to Southern Rhodesia. Do you recall the threat of sanctions to also bring 'apartheid' and white minority rule to an end in South Africa and get it replaced with a one-man-one-vote majority rule government. Well, with or without YOUR personal support, the governments of the world with threats of sanctions and the like achieved both the objectives. It is true that there were 'liberation armies' who claim the victory through terrorist bombings and like means. These liberation armies fought with the support of many western governments. Now, a few years after these events a single posting on AR forum triggered a thought long harbored and compels me to make this posting, asking each one of you who are/were old enough then to try to remember your feelings and thoughts about the stance of your government then. And now? Zimbabwe is, by my, and any reasonable person's (?) judgment totally down the drain. South Africa seems to be well on the way there. And you personally? Is what we have now what you wanted, or did you support your government 'thinking' that it would turn out differently? Or were you one of those who predicted that what we have now will actually happen with majority rule? How long is your memory? Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | ||
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MOST everything that any government does (and I mean ANY government) is create situations where a small group of "in control" so-called leaders can benefit with either more money or more power. What a shame !!! ____________________________ .470 & 9.3X74R Chapuis' Tikka O/U 9.3X74R Searcy Classics 450/.400 3" & .577 C&H .375 2 1/2" Krieghoff .500 NE Member Dallas Safari Club | |||
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Frank, you are so right. You do not have to look very far to find the King of Pork - right your own Senator Byrd. We use to have the house version but he retired. | |||
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The world is run by power mad, greedy ambitious men, both black and white... I supported Apartied, but I will tell you they made some terrible mistakes and pretty much dug their own grave with cruilty out of fear, and those that ran the Police Depts, were no less than some of Saddams folks, so now the country is ran by equality cruel and mean black individuals that practice the same tortures on their own people because some of their people or not as black as the ruling class, they are referred to as the colored... Zimbabwe is in turmoil by a madman and its not going to get better anytime soon and when he dies I predict all hell to break loose, in the power struggle that will take place, even though he has made arrangments for the Govt. to continue with his men after his demise... Such is life in the 3rd world, we replace dictators with dictators, power mad with power mad, and a politician is a politician anywhere in the world, unfortunatly, and liberal minded people destroy civilizations by letting man live without rules of behavior IMO.... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The only way to correct the self serving of our government employees (legislative, executive, judicial), or any other country's, is to limit terms. The US presidency is already limited to two terms but what about the other fools we have in the house and senate!!! Not to mention the judges who make up their own laws as they see fit. I think every real "free" society needs TERM LIMITS for every branch period. I look at many of these politicians and I ask myself...what the hell could these people do without being elected year after year. Most could do little else in my view. They certainly couldn't accomplish what most on this form have. It's time to fight back and take back your country, peacefully by vote. | |||
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Look at Cuba.The U.S. has sanctioned them for ever.And really what has it done.I think that the majority of people would rather their government stay out of other countries bussiness.Bottom line its the New World Order that has everything screwed up. And dont think the U.S. aint heading down the toliet. Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war; That this foul deed shall smell above the earth With carrion men, groaning for burial. | |||
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When the wicked rule, the people mourn. Just ask the majority, either black or white, in any of the countries discussed if they are better off under black rule and after they hage looked back over their shoulder they will tell you NO! All you have to do is study the history of Kenya if you really want to know what is going to happen to Zimbabwe, South Africa, etc. Go and study its history from 1950 and you will see that history is repeating itself down south in a big way. Now when our good friend Nelson Mandela dies. . . I believe that the blacks may refer to it as the Night of The Long Knives? Ask any white in South Africa about that one. And, by the way, more South African White farmers have been murdered since the Aparteid was overthrown than all of those in Zimbabwe. Did you all know that the most dangerous occupation in the world is being a white farmer is South Africa due to the tremendous murder rate of white farmers there? It's not a well known or publicized fact, but an undisputed fact nonetheless. That's what we all have to look forward to as the years progress. Hunt now because the time may come when you cannot safely go there anymore as a white hunter or any hunter at all. | |||
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Recommended reading might be Robert Ruark's "Something of Value" (also made into a movie) and his well known book "Uhuru". Although fiction, they are based in fact with the names of individuals changed. That's where we're headed folks with our good friends in Zimbabe and South Africa, as well as many of the other Southern African countries. | |||
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The good, the bad, and the ugly: The good is the relatively inexpensive safari of the last 15 or so years, so that even blue collar white trash, like me, could make a pseudo career of going to Afica. The bad is the high rate of population growth in Africa and the loss of habitat. The ugly is big. Dictatorships abound in southern Africa. The majority feel no qualms about killing off the minorities, white. black, or otherwise. When a kid's father in KC can kick his daughter in the head, cut her head off with gardening shears, dump the body in a park, and her head in a dumpster, there is a simple lesson to be learned: When the white population in the States, South Africa, Zim, or anywhere else is the minority, they will be murdered indiscriminately. So go hunting in Africa as soon and as often as possible.  I'm just glad I had the chance to experience the best of hunting, the best of my life. I will cherish it til I die.Cheers! ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Well said Will, I too feel blessed with the opertunity have seen a good Africa, maybe not as good as Bell and Manners, but good enough. Pierre told a client to call me the other day and told him I hunted Africa before he was born..I liked that.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Probably before his father was born too! (only joking )***
This is a silly statement. It is no different from saying ' "with or without YOUR personal support", the current South African government is propping up Mugabe.' As if you personally are in anyway responsible. Little people have very little say in governments. Myself I was trying to find work in South Africa while in University in Australia and was kept being told how aweful that was because I would be supporting an apartheid regime.  | |||
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Over the long run a society (regardless of race, religion, or ethnic background) get's the level of government they want. The key concepts above long term, society, and want. Long term - the generation before may have determined what the current generation is dealing with but the current generation can chnage that for future generations Society - it is the society as whole not individual components Want - if you want your life more than freedom that is a choice you make. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Agree, much is wrong and difficult to adapt to! BUT with such a bunch of negative attitudes nobody, nowhere in the world will get anywhere! At least stick to it and give it a go! Don't dispair! OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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IMO, the USA is at fault for abolishing apartheid in RSA which has led to its current mess and high crime. And Britain is at fault for ZIM's situation. (When Namibia goes down, it will be Germany's fault.) | |||
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All politicians are like a bunch of bananas, They all hang together There is not a straight one amongst them And they are all yellow. That is why the whole world is in turmoil, it is ruled by bananas Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Alf, I've never been a student of politics, or even followed events to closely. So I'm not equipped to argue with you on events of so long ago. In my posting I just sort of remarked on my personal views of how some people now say "Get rid of Mugabe", while they seem to forget that they some years ago said "Get rid of Ian Smith and replace him with a majority rule terrorist!" Yes, I remember the bad man named Lang Hendrik. Your reminder helped me to recall that Voster and van den Berg conveyed a message to Ian from the USA that read something like: Capitulate or USA will impose sanctions on both South Africa and Rhodesia. It was NOT Pretoria who called the shots, it was Washington! Pretoria merely conveyed the message to stay in the good books of Washington or, in your own words " ....to be in favour with the USA !"? Jaco, Thanks for the nice description of politicians. Andrew McLaren Andrew McLaren Professional Hunter and Hunting Outfitter since 1974. http://www.mclarensafaris.com The home page to go to for custom planning of ethical and affordable hunting of plains game in South Africa! Enquire about any South African hunting directly from andrew@mclarensafaris.com After a few years of participation on forums, I have learned that: One can cure: Lack of knowledge – by instruction. Lack of skills – by practice. Lack of experience – by time doing it. One cannot cure: Stupidity – nothing helps! Anti hunting sentiments – nothing helps! Put-‘n-Take Outfitters – money rules! My very long ago ancestors needed and loved to eat meat. Today I still hunt! | |||
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Or definitely the two of you! It looks to me as if Verewaaier & Jaco Human is trying to advertise SA hunting opportunities behind the smoke screen of politics. Watch out! (Meng jou met die semels en die varke vreet jou.) OWLS My Africa, with which I will never be able to live without! | |||
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