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Would you take this rifle to africa. would you call it clasic or modern. Remington 1903A3 Pseudo-Scout, 30-06 •McMillan barrel; turned pedestals •Kimber scope mounts silver soldered/screwed to pedestals • Leupold 2x Scout scope w/standard reticle; •Brown Precision fiberglass stock, glass bedded; •Galco "Ching Sling"; •butt cuff; •bolt and lugways polished to NM specs; This rifle has fired a witnessed 5/8" 3-shot group at 100 yds and 1-1/2" 3-shot group at 300 yards.  "He must go -- go -- go away from here! On the other side the world he's overdue. 'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you, And the Red Gods call for you!" Rudyard Kipling - 1887 - The Feet Of The Young Men | ||
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Yes Thanks "He must go -- go -- go away from here! On the other side the world he's overdue. 'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you, And the Red Gods call for you!" Rudyard Kipling - 1887 - The Feet Of The Young Men | |||
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Doyle The first thing that came to mind was how military looking it was. I wonder if it would cause a problem? It shouldn't be any problem but we are talking africa. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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I think I will De-camo the stock. Doyle "He must go -- go -- go away from here! On the other side the world he's overdue. 'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you, And the Red Gods call for you!" Rudyard Kipling - 1887 - The Feet Of The Young Men | |||
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That scope mount will make it a pain to carry over the shoulder. I could not live with that set-up. Also a 2 power scope is not the first choice I would have on a rifle I wanted to use at over 250 yards. Over all I think it's kind of a funky set-up and limits the real potential of a 30/06. | |||
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Seeing as I've taken two different Scout Rifles to Africa so far (Clifton Scout #3 in .308 and a Steyr Scout in .376 Steyr) with good success with both, you can guess what my answer is as far as equipment goes. Now that would have to be qualified by the size of the game you're after, the terrain you expect to encounter, etc., although on the latter account it sounds like you're good to go with 1.5" groups at 300 yards, depending on the bullet. With what bullet did you shoot the groups you cited? If you're going after eland, I'd suggest 200-220-grain premium bullets, but for everything below that a premium 180 should be fine. Perhaps the optimal solution, if your gun likes it, is the 200-grain Nosler Partition. --- Eric Ching "The pen is mightier than the sword...except in a swordfight." | |||
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Well its certainly not a classic....and you can carry slung african style...and an 06 just plain works Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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If you shoot it well and are confident in hitting things properly, take it. Guys routinely go on plains game hunts with handguns, so with good bullets this will work just fine. | |||
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Take it. My wife's African rifle for 3 trips is a Camo'ed Ruger in 30-06 . It has a receiver mounted 2x7 Leupold and Ching Sling. She's taken everything with it. JD | |||
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Slingster I do not shoot as good as the rifle will. The witness groups were with national match ammo 168 gr. . . . The groups do not wander with heat up they may open a bur but not much. I traded from a friend who got a styre scout. You know about the sling. This is a love it or hate it rifle. Not for the un-initiated. I will be taking a 375 H&H also. Doyle "He must go -- go -- go away from here! On the other side the world he's overdue. 'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you, And the Red Gods call for you!" Rudyard Kipling - 1887 - The Feet Of The Young Men | |||
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Doyle, It does not sound Ideal to me...I have seen times when I had to take the scope off and use iron sights both on plainsgame and dangerous game hunts so I personally would want that option... If the scope broke you would be in trouble also..so be prepared to correct these problems by taking an extra scope, extra ammo to sight in and probably an extra rifle for back up would be the best scenario, and you should do well...personally I would prefer a normally mounted 2x7 Leupold on that rifle... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Simple is best. If this is a "simple" rig - to repair, to use, to carry - go with it. If not, spend $1000 and get a Win, Rem or whatever that meets the requirement. I also agree with Ray's comments. | |||
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Well, I wouldn’t agree with Ray’s comments. From the picture I can see, that rifle has a set of backup sights. I’ve used scouts on everything from coyotes to elk, and baboons to kudu. They work fine. The 2.75 power scope (if it is a scout scope, that’s the standard power available) would enable just about anybody who can hit with iron sights to somewhat more than double their effective iron-sight range. My iron sight range is about 125~150 yards, my scout scope range about 300 without stretching. We routinely shoot prairie dogs with scout scopes for practice, and 150yrd shots on those tiny critters are quite common. They’ll work fine for all big game as far as you have any right shooting at it with a .30-’06. As for carrying it over your shoulder, it carries fine there but you don’t have to. Unlike virtually every other scoped rifle, scouts can be carried at the balance point by a single hand closed into a fist, like you would carry a M-94 or similar iron-sighted back-country rifle. This makes a world of difference in all-day carryability. I would un-camo the stock, but that’s a matter of preference and regulations in the country you’ll be hunting in. Dogcat: If it was built by a competent gunsmith, it will be both simple and rugged. That's inherint in the design. Bring an extra scope if you want. Bring a back-up rifle if you want. Personally, my scout IS my extra rifle, when I can pry it out of my better half’s hands. She loves to burn through my ammo shooting baboons and any camp meat we might need, so I don’t get to spend much time with it. Using Slingster’s signature rifle-sling, there’s not a handier choice on the continent. "If you can get closer, get closer. If you can get steadier, get steadier." | |||
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Ray and Others Thanks for the input scouts are general purpose rifles. I watched them shooting clay birds with them in September at Whittington Center. The mounts are silver soldered to the pedestals the rings are Kimber QD it has backup sights Ghost Ring rear. The other rifle is a CZ550 in 375 H&H. it has a spare scope and mounts. Reliability it was used in a Gunsite rifle class with no malfunctions. Doyle "He must go -- go -- go away from here! On the other side the world he's overdue. 'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you, And the Red Gods call for you!" Rudyard Kipling - 1887 - The Feet Of The Young Men | |||
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I have seen alot of the scout type rifles used in Africa with very mixed results. I feel the scope mount in very unconventional, and when handeled by others it is prone to be mishandled and possible hit up against the cruiser for example. Also the position of the scope in the rifle rack, may cause the gun to be rested on the scope. Think of going down the road and transferring all that vibration into the scope. Your calibre choice is great, I have used it on hundreds of heads of game there. Aleko Hits count, misses don't | |||
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I have what could by a stretch be classified as a "Scout" Springfield 03 in 30-06. It is an issue stocked Remington 03 that has had barrel cut to 16" and original band ramp replaced and a TALL Redfield Patridge blade with bronze insert installed. Stock and handguard have been shortened appopiately. Bolt handle has been neatly lowered for scope clearance and a VERY nice winchester style 3 position case hardened safety installed. Scope mount is a Griffen & Howe side mount detachable (returns to zero perfectly. Scope is an old Lyman Alaskan 2 1/2 X. Original military rear sight on the barrel. A Timney trigger and military sling complete it. It was built by Les Womack as an Alaskan trail gun for a prominent gun writer ( which one I don't know). Even has stick matches in an old Polaroid developer tube in the trap buttplate and a nice small compass set in the left side of stock. Shoots 1" groups all day but is rather noisy. Handy to carry quick to use and not unpleasant to shoot. Nice unusual old rendition of the Springfield. SCI Life Member NRA Patron Life Member DRSS | |||
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Thank you all for your comments they are all useful and relevant. Doyle "He must go -- go -- go away from here! On the other side the world he's overdue. 'Send your road is clear before you when the old Spring-fret comes o'er you, And the Red Gods call for you!" Rudyard Kipling - 1887 - The Feet Of The Young Men | |||
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I have no problem with scout scopes under certain conditions such as hunting in close quarters such as thick bush or for combat purposes, but for plainsgame where shots can be as far as 400 yards or better I just prefer a 4X or better.....I really like the 1.5x5 Leupold for instance or the 2x7... IMO the scout scope is little more than a Ghost peep in performance. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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About ten years ago I had a 30-06 Scout like that one built, and I hunted with nothing else for a long time. It was very accurate, very fast and very handy. After much reconnaissance and assorted hustling to organize a blacktail hunt on public land, I finally laid eyes on a shootable buck feeding with several other deer less than 200 yards away on Opening Morning. If you have any idea how hard this is, you'll appreciate my fury when I was unable to see antlers in my Scout scope. They were there in the binos, and as I feverishly switched back and forth, the deer faded into the brush like blacktails do. I reread Jack O'Connor and Finn Aagaard and found that both had encountered the same problem with 2.5x scopes. I wrote Finn Aagaard, who graciously wrote back to recommend a 4x scope. I wrote several letters to Jeff Cooper. His replies showed me much I had never considered, but did not make the 2.5 scope work any better for me. Shortly after that I went to a conventional 4x scope on a short, light 308 with a superb trigger and a shooting sling. Last year I snapshot a blacktail spike at about 90m with it. Less than a week ago, I used it to kill a blacktail doe I tracked to a bedding area atop a hill overlooking the Pacific. I spied her trying to sneak through the brush 45m away. I knew she would pass through a gap between two trees, so I put my crosshairs there. A moment later her head entered the gap, then her neck. Then her head passed behind the second tree, then her neck. When I saw her ribcage I fired. She's in the freezer right now, and I'm taking that rifle after Roosevelt's elk in a couple of weeks. Scouts have a lot going for them, but a 2.5x scope ain't one of them. Okie John "The 30-06 works. Period." --Finn Aagaard | |||
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Recently returned from South Africa hunt described by brother Doyle at thread Africa Family hunt Doyle used the above described Springfield Scout and I used a Steyr Scout in .308. On plains game they performed admirably. The .308 was perhaps a little light for my wildebeest, as a solid shot through both shoulders did not drop him in his tracks. We had to follow him for about 500 yards, at which point he bedded down in a small patch of brush. We stalked up on him to within 25 yards, when he jumped up, swapped ends, and started to bolt, and I hit him twice in the lungs, one shot high close to the spine. He dropped like a rock, bellowed, and died. The 2.5x scope was ideal for the close snap shots. I also took a blesbok at about 180 yards with one shot through the heart. DRT. I also took a warthog, impala, and red hartebeest. I am happy with the scout, but then I have shot and hunted a lot with it. Doyle took warthog, red hartebeest, and impala with his scout, and it performed well for him. He had previously taken two whitetail on the last day (in the last hour) of hunting season in Texas to test the concept in the field, and both deer fell almost immediately. We both pratciced quite a bit with the rifles before going to Africa. BTW, Doyle "de-camoed" the stock, painting it a flat gray. I wore a broad brimmed Tilley hat, and the one time I had sun flare from the rear (on the wildebeest) I simply flipped the brim up and it shaded the ocular lens, allowing me to make the shot. | |||
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