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He said Mr Smith had a "big reputation" in Zimbabwe and many people in the hunting world believed one of his heroes from his books, Sean Courtney, was based on John Sharp. "You know, big biceps, hair in a pony tail, and a double-barrelled rifle. So Wilbur Smith is probably regurgitating what John Sharp and his hunting friends have told him," he said.


I'm not sure how old John Sharp is but I doubt that when Smith created Sean Courtney and wrote "When the Lion Feeds" in 1964 that Sharp was old enough to have "big biceps". "Ponytails" weren't real stylish in 1964 as I remember. Not sure if Sharp wore one then. Also doubt that Smith would have had a clue as to who Sharp was back then.

But then again, I am not an important Johannesburg reporter, who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story, so what do I know.
 
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He said Mr Smith had a "big reputation" in Zimbabwe and many people in the hunting world believed one of his heroes from his books, Sean Courtney, was based on John Sharp. "You know, big biceps, hair in a pony tail, and a double-barrelled rifle. So Wilbur Smith is probably regurgitating what John Sharp and his hunting friends have told him," he said.


I'm not sure how old John Sharp is but I doubt that when Smith created Sean Courtney and wrote "When the Lion Feeds" in 1964 that Sharp was old enough to have "big biceps". "Ponytails" weren't real stylish in 1964 as I remember. Not sure if Sharp wore one then. Also doubt that Smith would have had a clue as to who Sharp was back then.

But then again, I am not an important Johannesburg reporter, who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story, so what do I know.


It didn't stop any of the other "experts" quoted from talking out of their behinds either....

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Mr Smith is the start of my fascianation for Africa. His books got me mesmerized when I was young!
 
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He said Mr Smith had a "big reputation" in Zimbabwe and many people in the hunting world believed one of his heroes from his books, Sean Courtney, was based on John Sharp. "You know, big biceps, hair in a pony tail, and a double-barrelled rifle. So Wilbur Smith is probably regurgitating what John Sharp and his hunting friends have told him," he said.


I'm not sure how old John Sharp is but I doubt that when Smith created Sean Courtney and wrote "When the Lion Feeds" in 1964 that Sharp was old enough to have "big biceps". "Ponytails" weren't real stylish in 1964 as I remember. Not sure if Sharp wore one then. Also doubt that Smith would have had a clue as to who Sharp was back then.

But then again, I am not an important Johannesburg reporter, who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story, so what do I know.


Um, the reporter didn't say any of those things. The reporter was actually quite restrained and quoted a few people - one of whom was the Oxford university researcher who said that drivel about John Sharp.

To be honest, I'd give her 9/10 for the story. She even pointed out that the animal rights lobby was powerful.


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John sharp only obtained his professional hunters license in Zimbabwe in mid 1984. Prior to that he owned a restaurant /cafe in Cape Town South Africa . So I doubt very much he was wilburs guy in the book.
 
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He said Mr Smith had a "big reputation" in Zimbabwe and many people in the hunting world believed one of his heroes from his books, Sean Courtney, was based on John Sharp. "You know, big biceps, hair in a pony tail, and a double-barrelled rifle. So Wilbur Smith is probably regurgitating what John Sharp and his hunting friends have told him," he said.


I'm not sure how old John Sharp is but I doubt that when Smith created Sean Courtney and wrote "When the Lion Feeds" in 1964 that Sharp was old enough to have "big biceps". "Ponytails" weren't real stylish in 1964 as I remember. Not sure if Sharp wore one then. Also doubt that Smith would have had a clue as to who Sharp was back then.

But then again, I am not an important Johannesburg reporter, who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story, so what do I know.


Um, the reporter didn't say any of those things. The reporter was actually quite restrained and quoted a few people - one of whom was the Oxford university researcher who said that drivel about John Sharp.

To be honest, I'd give her 9/10 for the story. She even pointed out that the animal rights lobby was powerful.


I agree, the reporter didn't say those things. The individual she was interviewing did. I put the quote of the individual to the reporter in red. That's why I said "...who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story..."

A reporter who is lazy and doesn't want to check facts accepts whatever an interviewed person gives them.

A reporter who cares what their byline is attached to will diligently check things out before running with it.

Not checking out what people say is one of the main problems of the media today. That's how we got the entire story about Cecil. Reporters accepted what Johnny Rodriguez said without checking the facts. Once it makes the BBC, Al Jazeera, Sky News, CNN, etc., the media attributes the story to a news organization and gives it a sense of credibility. Then other news organizations pick it up and all you have is news organizations quoting other news organizations and the truth is lost due to a reporter not doing their job to begin with.

Will mistakes make it past a reporter and an editor. Certainly. Could the entire Wilbur Smith/Sean Courtney/John Sharp statement been caught fairly easily? It took me about one minute on google and I am not a reporter who is getting paid.

Thus, my point. The reporter who wrote the article did not do their job. They were lazy!
 
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Like all good characters, and Sean Courtney was one of Smith's best, he was an amalgamation of a number of folk, all before John Sharp's day. There's a little F C Selous, and even characters who appeared in the books like Barnato contributed to the mix. Maybe John's trying to be like Sean Cool
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He said Mr Smith had a "big reputation" in Zimbabwe and many people in the hunting world believed one of his heroes from his books, Sean Courtney, was based on John Sharp. "You know, big biceps, hair in a pony tail, and a double-barrelled rifle. So Wilbur Smith is probably regurgitating what John Sharp and his hunting friends have told him," he said.


I'm not sure how old John Sharp is but I doubt that when Smith created Sean Courtney and wrote "When the Lion Feeds" in 1964 that Sharp was old enough to have "big biceps". "Ponytails" weren't real stylish in 1964 as I remember. Not sure if Sharp wore one then. Also doubt that Smith would have had a clue as to who Sharp was back then.

But then again, I am not an important Johannesburg reporter, who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story, so what do I know.
 
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Ah yes, someone like Smith who dares to have an opinion is "met with outrage", blah, blah, blah.Now, can I ask a question that should disturb the outraged masses? 14 elephant have recently (again) been poisoned with cyanide in Zimbabwe. The Matusadona Anti Poaching Project (Google them, they are good) has offered a $400 reward for information. Probably what they can afford, but also probably not going to get a lot of response. Where are the outraged masses? If each one sent a dollar, MAPP and other like minded initiatives could set up a revolving trust for the payment of informers that would be meaningful.
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Like all good characters, and Sean Courtney was one of Smith's best, he was an amalgamation of a number of folk, all before John Sharp's day. There's a little F C Selous, and even characters who appeared in the books like Barnato contributed to the mix. Maybe John's trying to be like Sean Cool
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Originally posted by AilsaWheels:
He said Mr Smith had a "big reputation" in Zimbabwe and many people in the hunting world believed one of his heroes from his books, Sean Courtney, was based on John Sharp. "You know, big biceps, hair in a pony tail, and a double-barrelled rifle. So Wilbur Smith is probably regurgitating what John Sharp and his hunting friends have told him," he said.


I'm not sure how old John Sharp is but I doubt that when Smith created Sean Courtney and wrote "When the Lion Feeds" in 1964 that Sharp was old enough to have "big biceps". "Ponytails" weren't real stylish in 1964 as I remember. Not sure if Sharp wore one then. Also doubt that Smith would have had a clue as to who Sharp was back then.

But then again, I am not an important Johannesburg reporter, who diligently researches the subject matter prior to writing a story, so what do I know.



Not quite correct - Wilbur has reused Sean and Garry Courtney many times in his books - I seem to remember a Sean and Gary in "Golden Fox" as well as a later book about a Sean Courtney being a PH in late 1980's early 1990's Zimbabwe with excursions into Rename with Hind D choppers - that particular Sean was pony-tailed IIRC. Called A time to die

So it may well be possible that WS was basing the newer Sean on John Sharp Wink


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13 is old. Doubt any wild lion lives to the ages discussed.
 
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13 YO - BS in 20 years in parks and gettin the teeth anylised for true age in SA we never found one over 10.

Also, my father had shot well over 500 lion Before I persuaded him to stop and let me bring in clients. The skelatons we all burried out the back of the house. When a chinease buisness man came wanting to buy lion skelatons to send back to china as 'tiger bones' we dug up as many as possible. I sent about 100 teeth for aging along with the stuff from park's regular activities - still none over 10.

Not that it really matters- there was never a lion called Cecil outside the imagination of a few. I hope parks will prosecute the person who put the collar on withot permission, and infact cancel all collaring unless 'shot buy a hunter' is an accptable cause of Death if the animal moves into a hunting area.

And yes, those against hunting get really Irate when you shoot one of their 'regulars'. I shot a collared lion near Tuli. It had been collared in Botswana and had tried unsucessful attacks on people and killed quite a few goats. The photographic operator on the Botswan side had been campaining for Three years to stop the lion hunting in the Tuli Safari area, but when I shot one of the thee collared lion he Went ballistic. The fact that we had been in the same class at School and good friends not withstanding. When I sent the collar back to Botswana with the Bill for my Milage etc (T&S)...Dale has never spoken to me since.
 
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I hope parks will prosecute the person who put the collar on withot permission
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Is this the case? It was the folks from OXford. Did they not have permission to do so? Interesting.
 
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Further, the Oxford people were pretty "scientific" about the death of "cecil". They seemed to treat it like a data point (rightly) and (to their credit) didn't raise much of a fuss at all.
 
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13 YO - BS in 20 years in parks and gettin the teeth anylised for true age in SA we never found one over 10.

Also, my father had shot well over 500 lion Before I persuaded him to stop and let me bring in clients. The skelatons we all burried out the back of the house. When a chinease buisness man came wanting to buy lion skelatons to send back to china as 'tiger bones' we dug up as many as possible. I sent about 100 teeth for aging along with the stuff from park's regular activities - still none over 10.

Not that it really matters- there was never a lion called Cecil outside the imagination of a few. I hope parks will prosecute the person who put the collar on withot permission, and infact cancel all collaring unless 'shot buy a hunter' is an accptable cause of Death if the animal moves into a hunting area.

And yes, those against hunting get really Irate when you shoot one of their 'regulars'. I shot a collared lion near Tuli. It had been collared in Botswana and had tried unsucessful attacks on people and killed quite a few goats. The photographic operator on the Botswan side had been campaining for Three years to stop the lion hunting in the Tuli Safari area, but when I shot one of the thee collared lion he Went ballistic. The fact that we had been in the same class at School and good friends not withstanding. When I sent the collar back to Botswana with the Bill for my Milage etc (T&S)...Dale has never spoken to me since.


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Likely to have been sold by weight.

Those in canned (Lion) industry must be utilizing their Lion carcasses to the fullest, seeing the animal's parts are highly desirable in the Far East and all told, that Lion might probably bring in the equivalent of a double trophy fee.

This in part is also one of the reasons why Lions in TZ have been targeted by poachers in recent years.
 
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