A hunter was forced to cancel his hunt this year. The PH is reducing the number of days and daily rate in an effort to sell this hunt. Normally this is a 16 day hunt for Leopard and buffalo, dogs may be used, at a total cost of $34,650.00

The LEOPARD/BUFFALO SPECIAL being offered is now a 10 Day Hunt at a total cost of US$20450.

Daily rate (1000/day) - 10000
Concession Fee (100/day) - 1000
Buffalo License Fee - 1250
Leopard License Fee - 2200
Buffalo Trophy Fee - 3000
Leopard Trophy Fee - 3000
TOTAL COST - 20450

Plains game is available on this hunt, including gemsbok and lechwe.

This will be with Andy Kockott in the Khwai concession in the Okavango Delta.

As of today this hunt was still available and he asked me to post it here to see if there was any interest.

If anyone has a real interest in this hunt let me know.

BionomicsJohn@comcast.net

Is this hunt split between two different locations? Will a hunter lose a day of hunting for a transfer?

The hunt will be done out of one camp in the Khwai concession. I believe it is at least a four hour ride from the Falls. Maybe less.

The link below will give you a general idea of the area.

http://www.khwai.org/intro.html

Lechwe and Gemsbuck out of the same camp? Are you sure?

The Okavango is one of the most beautiful places I have ever been in Africa. Anyone who has not been there should go once before you give it up.

I don't think you can hunt with dogs in the Okavango either.

It would'nt make sense that you can get the Gemsbok in the same area as a Lechwe and if I was interested in a Gemsbok I would ask that question. The real emphasis is on the buffalo and leopard.

I did a little research and the Hunting Report has some favorable reports for the dog hunt with leopard on this conservancy. The PH had emailed me about a couple of hunts with dogs this year out of the camp.

This is not a bullshit hunt. If someone is really interested in the hunt then contact me and I'll put you in direct contact with the PH and then you can make a real evaluation of what is offered. Only way to reach him currently is by SAT phone.

There are a few of you that will find fault in any hunt posted. Some of the shit is warranted but some of it is not.

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Originally posted by TNJohn:
There are a few of you that will find fault in any hunt posted. Some of the shit is warranted but some of it is not.

John, no one said your hunt is bullshit but it is evident some clarification is in order. I've been through that community area (NG18) a couple of times, driving from Moremi up to the Selinda and Motswiri camp. From what I've seen of NG18, it's mostly shrub mopane with only a little flood plain on the border. It's primarily an elephant area and has some good buffalo country. I'll eat my hat if there's a gemsbok in that area.

If there have already been a "couple of hunts with dogs this year", a prospective hunter should hope they've been unsuccessful because there's only one leopard on quota in that area.

Try not to take it personally if you get a question or two about the specifics of a hunt offer you've posted.

Forrest

Not taking it personaly, but you do seem to know more about the hunt and the area than I and could possibly offer some insight rather than ask questions. My posts on this have not been a glowing review or a matter of fact presentation. I have posted the numbers and have asked that anyone with a real interest contact me and I would be glad to put the interested party in touch with the PH.

You evidently have no interest, however would you hunt in this area for a Buffalo and Leopard? What do you know about the area that would be of interest to a potential hunter? Can you drive from this camp to other areas to hunt Leopard with dogs? Do you hunt Leopard in part of the concession without dogs?

I'll be glad to give you the number and Email address to the PH and you can ask him all the questions you need and then please post what you find out, either positive or negative, and your opinion.


Again if someone is interested in this hunt it seems to be a great deal. I will put you in touch with the PH and you can get all the details you need in order to evaluate wheter or not you want to take the hunt.

John

Easy now John!!

I was just pointing out to someone who might be interested that this is something that they might ask about. Gemsbuck and Lechwe do not live close together in their normal habitat (anything is possible in South Africa though.)

Forrest pointed out some good points as well about the dogs, and the Leopard quota. I was also curious about dogs in the Okavango, but I didn't say anything, because I was not sure.

I am sure this is probably a great hunt. I said in my post that the Okavango is an area that needs to be seen before one gives up the ghost.

But, if a hunter showed up in camp and expected to shoot a Gemsbuck after they shot their Lechwe, he might be a bit disappointed to find out they are not there.

I am sure Forrest was also just trying to set the expectations straight. The Buffalo in the Okavango are typically very good. I would love to hunt Buffalo and Leopard in the Okavango.

I did some checking, and the prices on this hunt are good. They are truly a good discount over what someone would normally pay. ($10 K or so off).

No criticism or flaming intended. I understand you are just trying to help this guy out.

Anyone who has ever thought about hunting the Okavango might want to look into this and ask the proper questions. (I do not know anything about the operator, good, bad or otherwise).

I asked the initial question because the hunt might be a good deal. Bird Safaris has or at least had some of the quota in that area and they also hunt in other areas, like further south where there are gemsbok and leopards are often hunted with dogs. It seemed logical that a hunter might go after buffalo and lechwe in NG18 and do the leopard and gemsbok hunt in the desert. If so, it would be a good deal with the caveat that you might lose a hunting day for the transfer. Nine days is not a lot for a buffalo hunt and leopard tracking hunt.

The Khwai community may still be selling its quota to multiple safari companies. If that's the case, then a leopard/buffalo hunt there could be more problematic. It's midway through the season and if there's only one leopard on quota, I'd want to know if that leopard might get taken before I show up. There are probably no more than 5 or 6 buffalo on quota in that area and the same problem could arise with regard to the buffalo hunt.

That's the primary issue with late-season cancellation hunts in Botswana. The quota is so small on most concessions that quota, not available camp-days, is the restraint. Often, a "cancellation" hunt is in reality a second-go at the quota if an earlier hunter(s) strikes out.

I'm not passing judgement the hunt offer, but this is a discussion forum and its the informed discussion that keeps this place the best site on the net for Africa hunters.

I have hunted three times in the Okavago Delta, with bird safaris, and I was told that all the leopard hunting there is over bait. Further, the closest Gemsbuck is in the Kalahari around Ghanzi,a days travel away unless you charter a plane. They do hunt leopard with dogs in the kalahari. The Delta has good buffalo, Red Lechewe, Tsessebe, impala, warthog, leopard( baited) and elephant. There are good kudu there, but those in the Kalahari are better.
I would bet that the Buffalo hunt is in the Delta and the leopard with dogs in the Kalahari. While you would have to move, and lose a day, it still sounds like a nice hunt. By the way, in my experience, in Botswana you travel in and out days do not count as hunting days. You also should check on where you would be hunting if part of the hunt is in the kalahari. A lot of the hunting in the Ghanzi area is on private ranches.

TerryR

Clive, who works closely with, Mark (Bird Safaris) does Leopard on his ranch and on a communal conservancy. Odds of Leopard on a 10-day hunt are as close to excellent as one can get. These are tracking hunts, there is a dog along, but it is not really a hound hunt. These hunts run around $17,000 all in.

The hunt ends in a charge most of the time. Very exciting.

If one could whack a Buffalo in 2-3 days you could have 6 or 7 to hunt Leopard, if you had to change areas.

Don't get offended John, we are all just trying to help set more reasonable expectations for this hunt. Some good questions have been asked, so if you can get more detailed info from him and post it, I am sure it would help some to better understand the situation. We understand you are not an agent, just a friend trying to help another out.

Wendell
I've hunted on Clive's ranch. He has excellent Kudu, Zebra, Widebeast, Gemsbuck, Eland and Ostrich. When I was there I took an Ostrich, Zebra, and Kudu. Thr ranch is high fenced but the area is huge. The fence does not appear to have an impact on the hunt. I wouldn't be surprised if the Leopard hunt is there, but I think that Mark is organizing his own ranch in the area.

TerryR

Yes, 110,000 acres under one fence is a pretty good chunk of property. His Leopard have been sold out for a while.

I was at the DSC show talking to Clive when one of his old clients came up. We got to talking and he mentioned that he shot a big Kudu on Clive's ranch.

"How big?", I asked
"He was 65 inches"

Wow. That is a big Kudu.

Wendell,

No offense taken. You are correct I am just trying to help a PH out and have nothing to gain.

I have sent an Email asking for more details. Having trouble getting through by phone, otherwise would have an answer by now.

Thanks

John