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The dual purposes of shell holders seems to get lost in the discussions of "which is best." A cartridge holder serves to carry extra cartridges but should also serve to have the cartridges instantly available in case a rapid reload is needed. When you watch the videos of the guys trying to pull cartridges from their holders I draw the conclusion that the flapped cartridge holders, for example, as cute as they might be, are just a hinderance. Cartridge carriers should have the cartridge heads well exposed so that they can be grabbed easily (almost half of the cartridge sticking out), and not be stuck so tightly in their slots that they are almost impossible to remove. This is especially important in the case of double rifles where reloading is more an issue (firepower-challenged!) than a bolt rifle with a big magazine capacity. An alternative for double users is use a wrist band or shirt-type cartridge holder of some sort that has two well-exposed cartridges. Alternative viewpoints will be considered, but not seriously.  ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | ||
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Sounds like these meet the above requirements!  With the economics of the above holders you can take as many as you need, and swap them out as hunting requirements demand. You can adjust their postions left or right. For my double I carry 10 solids on one side and 10 softs on the other. I can carry a back up 10 in a small of the back postion. Just slide it around if you need it. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Will, Absolutely! I have 2 custom elephant hide belt carriers with the flap cover that a good friend gave to me. In my opinion the flap makes them impractical and coumbersome to use. The models with the velcro are even worse as you have to fight the velcro for every round. For me the Uncle Mike's cheapo carrier on the butt stock is the way to go. Mark MARK H. YOUNG MARK'S EXCLUSIVE ADVENTURES 7094 Oakleigh Dr. Las Vegas, NV 89110 Office 702-848-1693 Cell, Whats App, Signal 307-250-1156 PREFERRED E-mail markttc@msn.com Website: myexclusiveadventures.com Skype: markhyhunter Check us out on https://www.facebook.com/pages...ures/627027353990716 | |||
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Will, I was always impressed with the method used by PHC with his double 470NE He carried the gun loaded and two more rounds between the fingers of his left hand ready to go immediately. He also carried two rounds in his upper left shirt pockets instantly available to his right hand in case he needed shots five and six. In all seriousness sir, if you have fired six rounds thru your double and still need more then you're in more trouble than a couple more rounds are going to help!!! I like Rusty's belt rig for the additional rounds but might consider carrying them over the shoulder as some folks might have a tendency to push them out with a bit of a belly! /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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It also a good idea to use only every other loop carrier...under stress fine motor skills go out the window... We do not rise to the occasion...we default to our level of training Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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..and IOHO here is the benchmark in this category of belt:  $130 from http://www.westleyrichards.com/show/leather_6_2integral.html Right Bill?  | |||
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You know I am all for classy well made stuff but I bet Rusty's rig ran him about $25. I am just trying to figure the difference in value Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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If you're into cowboy shooting, the loops of the 44-45 rigs hold the 30-06 and 9.3 X 62 size as well as the 300 H&H, 375 H&H, and 416 Rem and possibly the 458 Mag and Lott as well quite nicely....just leave the holster and handgun home. Shown is 300 H&H rounds.  /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill | |||
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Nothing wrong with Rusty's at all Mike. I hunt in $6 Duofold tshirts with the sleeves cut off, yet the ~$75 safari shirts are nice too. I hemmed-and-hawed before I bought mine, but Bill talked me into it (well actually HE chastised ME for being a "cheap Scotsman" !!!). He said he likes them for culling operations because they have some bling!  | |||
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I like the 6 round belt slides like Cabela's sells. I have enough for two for each caliber I carry. They seem to work well. I think they are only about $9.95 each. | |||
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That belt is a thing of beauty, and of practicality without equal! Even if you posted the 15 round belt instead of the twenty-rounder. I rest my case. Well, at least temporarily. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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As a retired police officer who carried ammo on his belt for 25 years I can give a little advise. First thing is the ammo carrier must be located on the same place on your belt and secured in a way that it won't move around. When you reach for your ammo it needs to be there you shouldn't have to feel around. You should be able to unload and reload without looking at your weapon or ammo. You learn to do this with practice it normally take 200 times to develop muscle memory. Next you have to learn how to reload under stress. In police training they do this by having you run until you have a fast heart beat then as you are shooting and reloading the instructors scream at you. While you can't simulate a true life threatening encounter it give you a good idea how you will react to stress. | |||
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One other thing that can be a problem is if the shell carriers are on a belt just wrapped around your waist outside the belt loops. A quick pull on a cartridge can result in the belt being up on your chest!  Get a couple of small velcro straps that will loop around your pants belt and ammo belt. These are called keepers and are available at any store that carries police supplies. You could also make some...or for really penurious Scots, use garbage bag twistems. .395 Family Member DRSS, po' boy member Political correctness is nothing but liberal enforced censorship | |||
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Will I hole heartedly agree with you on this subject. I also like the various culling belts. but for a nicely made leather shell holder with great ease and speed of accessibility these open top carriers by Murray leather are hard to beat. I also like them for carrying spare pistol rounds. I've included both types. The two on top are a pair of 6 rounders for .470 (.500)whatevers and the one on the bottom is made for pistol rounds this is a 6 round .44 mag carrier  Will was it not you that just recently were berating me for suggesting some techniques on rapid reloads? Now you are saying the rapid reload has some merit? While before it was “you won’t have time to reload in an emergency.†I guess I need to take everything you say with a major grain of salt as you seem to be the most contradictory SOB I've ever run across. Or is just that if you didn't say it it can't be right?  | |||
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I noticed that Mark Sullivan has a shell holder that appears to hold the cartidges securely while tilting them out a bit for easy grasping in a hurry. Looks like it's make of leather with plenty of room between the cartridges so you can pluck two out easily and quickly. DB Bill aka Bill George | |||
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Yeah, but does it come in pink?  Sorry - couldn't resist. Actually, I'd like a picture of that shellholder. ESPECIALLY if it comes in pink. Jon Larsson - Hunter - Shooter - Reloader - Mostly in that order...  | |||
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Rusty, where did you get your rig????? square shooter | |||
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Will, you have a lot of experience hunting dangerous game. How many shells do you normally carry during a hunt. I would think that it could get a little tiring carrying too many shells. I see you like the culling belt but do you also now that you will be shooting a double think about carrying some of the other carriers. | |||
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I have some leather carriers that were too tight. My local leather store sold me some solution in a bottle that helps stretch leather. It's clear liquid, smells like hydrocarbon-based. Worked great. | |||
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I generally carry 20 in the belt. If only the rifles weighed as little as the cartridges! But I'm not crazy. I don't intend to get knee deep in elephants with a double rilfe. Just not enough firepower. The "plan" is to carry the 416 with a 20-round belt and have one of the guys carry the 470, loaded. I will carry a couple 470's in my shirt loops. Assuming that the gunbearer hangs tough and doesn't bolt, I'll switch to the 470 if the opportunity presents itself, such as coming upon one or two elephants. That will be good for four shots, even if the second two come after an awkward delay! If that doesn't get it done, I could be toast, even if the 416 doesn't disappear behind me. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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If you were just shooting Plains Game, what kind of rig would you use? Rusty, what model your belt and cartridge holders. I looked on Mike's but didn't see it, perhaps my faux pas. Appreciate the help and input. Best, Bill | |||
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