Yesterday at Dar airport, I heard that a German hunter had a pair of warthog tusks in his bags leaving the country.

He was arrested and has been there for a week waiting trial.

Not sure how true this story is, just thought I will give you a heads up.

So be very careful taking any part of your trophy home with you.

I see they've just announced, in time honored African bureaucratic fashion, the launch of a "new" wildlife management authority. So it's probably a combination of the new guys finding their feet, guys on the ground not knowing hog ivory from elephant ivory and anything they can do to try and impress USF&WS.

It's always been illegal to travel out of the airport with any animal parts that are not accompanied by the correct paperwork.

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Originally posted by Barry Groulx:
I see they've just announced, in time honored African bureaucratic fashion, the launch of a "new" wildlife management authority. So it's probably a combination of the new guys finding their feet, guys on the ground not knowing hog ivory from elephant ivory and anything they can do to try and impress USF&WS.

It has nothing do do with ivory from a hog, or hippo - as Neil PH has already outlined, no animal part may be taken out of the country if not accompanied by an export permit.

What about animal part/goods made out of them bought in stores especially at airports?

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Originally posted by boarkiller:
What about animal part/goods made out of them bought in stores especially at airports?

Permit required.....though in Dar or Tz I doubt you can buy animal parts at the airport duty ree?

My son and I were hunting in South Africa earlier this year then flew to Tanzania (non hunting trip). We arrived at Dar and after going through customs and picking up our luggage went to departures for a flight upcountry.

My sons suitcase was stopped at the x-ray machine. He had a couple of shell casings in his luggage.

It took way to long with security and airport police to get this worked out. It is probably wise to be careful what you and your family have in their luggage while transiting Dar.



I agree with Bwanamich. I don't think you can buy anything fauna related at duty free in Dar. Only flora.

Just flew out of Dar this afternoon after a fishing trip on Mafia Island.

We had no issues over and above the normal wanting to see the rods and lures.

Nothing more than at any other international airport..

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Originally posted by Neil-PH:
It's always been illegal to travel out of the airport with any animal parts that are not accompanied by the correct paperwork.

Absolutely. I had problems in Dar with biltong in my luggage.

And I've been warned in Zim not to have any animals parts, especially from elephants.

Hunting boots must be made from synthetic material and not from leather? No leather belts? No travel wallets made from elephant leather and carried in your carry on?

Stupid as usual.

This is getting completely out of hand1

It seems stupidity has no limit.

The Chinese are loading containers of all sort of animals and sending them back home, and hardly anything is being done about it.

But, a tourist has to be made a example of!

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Originally posted by Gerard:
Hunting boots must be made from synthetic material and not from leather? No leather belts? No travel wallets made from elephant leather and carried in your carry on?

Stupid as usual.

I have had no problems in Dar with leather products. This includes hippo and elephant boots/belt.

Not saying this won't change and I will be walking barefoot with my pants around my ankles some day.

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I had problems in Dar with biltong in my luggage.

Just for the record and general information to hunters visiting TZ:

Biltong from camp requires a "kibali" (permit) from the nearest Game Department office which officially costs approx. $0.50 and allows you to possess/carry up to 25/30kg of dried meat.

As this "animal part" which is a product of an animal legally shot against you hunting permit, is considered food, and does not require an export permit, besides, biltong can be bought at the Butcher's Shop and a number of supermarkets.

Strictly speaking you ought to consume it before you get back to either the States and/or most European countries.

Picking up warthog tusks and tucking them in a suitcase (random but common example), is sheer stupidity and asking for trouble especially if you get stroppy when caught out by the scanner.

Processed animal footwear (Courtney), wallets, belts, hats, bags and other similar products, have not been targeted in TZ (yet) but you need to worry more about that overseas, as in USA and that wonderful wildlife agency that is probably more idiotic than any other.

This August as we were going through Atlanta, I did notice a pair of Courteney boots on display in the "confiscated" case along with various ivory items and skulls. I think there were some other leather items but memory doesn't serve me as well other than seeing those boots. Absurd!

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Biltong from camp requires a "kibali" (permit) from the nearest Game Department office which officially costs approx. $0.50 and allows you to possess/carry up to 25/30kg of dried meat.

Thanks for information. I don't know why guys from Mantheakis safaris did not know that. We had to pay 100 dollars "fine"

Roman,

Surely you knew you couldn't take biltong home with you. You aren't seriously claiming a safari company had to tell you that. Am I wrong?

So is it against the law to bring warthog or hippo bottle opener back into the U.S.?

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Roman,

Surely you knew you couldn't take biltong home with you. You aren't seriously claiming a safari company had to tell you that. Am I wrong?

That was my first safari and I did not know rules. Biltong was made in the camp, and was given me in the camp. There was a representative of the company who was in charge about all procedures. Nobody told me a word about permission.

Do you seriously think they hoped I get this permission by myself?

By the way, as I understand, nobody told Saeed about necessity of such permission as well.

3 years ago I had some biltong with me, they asked me about it at customs and let me through. No trouble at all.

Last year we heard that no animal or plant should be taken. And we have always doubled checked that everyone traveling is aware of this.

The sad part is this hunter is being made an example of, while in reality this makes absolutely no difference to the poaching!!

Years ago we could take pretty much anything we wanted, and no one batted an eye lid.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Roman,

Surely you knew you couldn't take biltong home with you. You aren't seriously claiming a safari company had to tell you that. Am I wrong?

So, apparently, you believe he can't take biltong home to Russia? Maybe, maybe not.

For those who are or may be misinformed, as far as Game Reserves are concerned, NOTHING may be taken out from within the Reserve, whether it is one of the exotic plants, fossilized wood or picked up animal part (horns, tusks, etc.).
At the very most these picked up trophies may be taken to and left to adorn the camp.

Meat taken during the course of the hunt is covered by the GHP but to remove it from camp and beyond the Reserve requires a transit permit from the Game Department outpost which, as previously indicated, is merely pro-forma. If you are stopped without it you may find yourself in a spot of bother.

The preceding holds valid for resident hunters up to a point (they do not require a transit permit) as they are covered by their resident hunting license which they are obliged to produce at any roadblock (they have to ensure the impala they shot had 4 legs and not 6).

Roman,

I have hunted with that outfit numerous times and can recommend them highly. I have no idea how much biltong you were thinking about taking back home, but I can only think the "camp representative" assumed you were going to eat it before you left. Communication is always a challenge and Africans can eat a lot of meat given the opportunity.

Fujotupo is from Tanzania and has a lot of experience hunting there. He knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Roman,

I have hunted with that outfit numerous times and can recommend them highly. I have no idea how much biltong you were thinking about taking back home, but I can only think the "camp representative" assumed you were going to eat it before you left. Communication is always a challenge and Africans can eat a lot of meat given the opportunity.

Fujotupo is from Tanzania and has a lot of experience hunting there. He knows what he's talking about.

I have a lot to tell about that company, but my speech is not about company but about situation. I took few kilos of biltong in the luggage, not in the pocket There was not "camp representative" there was "representative of the company" which was in charge about all procedures, including customs, boarding etc.

No matter the name of company, I just want to tell to be careful because representative of the company may be not competent.

Fujotupu,

Would the permit from the game department also allow you to transport fresh or frozen game meat if you were flying somewhere that would allow you to bring it in? Or does it just cover dried meat?

Thanks

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Originally posted by mymur:
Fujotupu,

Would the permit from the game department also allow you to transport fresh or frozen game meat if you were flying somewhere that would allow you to bring it in? Or does it just cover dried meat?

Thanks

Mymur:

These permits are designed to facilitate the transit of meat, especially dried, from the hunting area to home (for residents).

They are not to be considered/confused as a substitute to an export permit for those who intend catching an outward-bound flight.

I quite honestly do not believe an airport customs official will begrudge anyone in possession of a few sticks of biltong in their hand luggage especially if you have a half chewed one in hand; they might object to several bundles in the suitcase as it goes through the scanner, though I'm pretty sure the "kibali" from the Game Department would work in quelling any dispute.

don't try to bring any dried meat back to the US, however. the first thing customs always ask me when i return from Africa is if i am bringing back any biltong.

jdollar's point ties in with mine that they probably thought it would be eaten before arrival in the foreign destination.

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Two S.Africans dragged to court over govt trophies

BY KARAMA KENYUNKO

19th November 2015

Two South African nationals yesterday appeared before the Kisutu Resident Magistrate’s Court in Dar es Salaam charged with unlawful possession of government trophies.

The prosecution led by Senior State Attorney Paul Kadushi named the accused as David Marians (60), a retired officer and resident of Villieria Pretoria and Marthinus Reyneke (60), a farmer from Palm Beach all in South Africa.

The accused are charged of contravening section 86 (1) and (2), ©(ii) of the wildlife conservation [Act no. 5 of 2009] read together with paragraph 13D of the first schedule and section 25 (1) of the economic and organised crime control Act [Cap 200R:E 2002]

Before Resident Magistrates Huruma Shahidi it was alleged that on November 13 this year at Julius Nyerere International Airport within Ilala District the first accused Marians, was found in possession of government Trophies, four Crocodile teeth worth 3,621,000/-.

Kadushi further alleged that on the same date and place the accused Reyneke, was found in possession of one hippopotamus tooth valued at 3,195,000/- all being property of the Government of Tanzania.

It was also alleged that the accused were found with the government trophies without permit or licence from the director of wildlife.

The accused didn’t enter any plea because the Kisutu Court does not have authority to hear the case that falls under the jurisdiction of the High Court.

According to the prosecution, investigation into the case is not complete and the case was adjourned to December 1 when it comes up for mention.

Meanwhile, Mohamed Mponda (268), a resident of Tandika appeared at the same court before resident Magistrate Respicisius Mwijage charged with illegal possession of firearms and ammunition.

The prosecution led by Inspector of Police Jackson Chidunda alleged that on July 2, last year in Tandika within Temeke District the accused was found with of one SMG and 27 rounds ammunition without a permit or licence.

The accused pleaded not guilty to the charge and was remanded in custody until November 24 when the case comes up for Preliminary hearing.


SOURCE: THE GUARDIAN

Wow! ... never realized a Crocodile tooth was worth around $450.

Pound for pound it would probably work out to be more valuable than Elephant ivory

Indeed. They probably used the Game fee value of a full crocodile ($1700) assuming that in order to obtian the teeth they had to kill the croc.

I wonder if they were returning from a hunting safari and naively assumed they could take some "trophy" home?